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Posted By: nickinvegas
Gentlemen & Julie, |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
at Seth Nagdemasn's request, when he owned them. He found them not to be albumen prints, and to have been cut apart and remounted. Oh, and 50 posts back, Seth said they were the same photos he had once owned. |
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Posted By: runscott
In an earlier posting in this tome of a thread, you attempted to use yourself as your own source of expert opinion - many of us felt that David's opinion was a bit more credible regarding old photographs, which shouldn't really offend you given the amount of time David spends with photographs. If you and David got into a debate over baseball cards from the '60s, I would certainly tend to give your opinion more attention. |
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Posted By: Jay Miller
Two points |
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Posted By: MW
<< I do not think David is a bad guy, I just feel strongly that there is a hidden agenda. >> |
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Posted By: Jay Miller
Mike--I strongly disagree--there was no mutation involved. That "dog" is a pure bred sewer rat. |
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Posted By: MW
Jay, |
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Posted By: runscott
I thought David claimed to have seen the EXACT same cards. I don't have the energy to re-read all of David's posts in this thread, so I'm giving up and turning on the baseball play-offs. |
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Posted By: hankron
First, I will admit that Henry looks a tad like a rat. No argument or offense there. |
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Posted By: hankron
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Posted By: Jay Miller
David--Could I get a little education on something. When an albumen print is made you have said that it needs to be affixed to a mount or it will curl. Does the photo have to dry before it is affixed to the mount? If the photo does have to dry what would happen if, after it was dry, it was placed between the pages of a book or in a heavy folder and left for days/weeks or some period of time. I assume that the photo would remain flat. The reason that I am asking this relates to how Old Judge cabinets were produced. I always thought that Goodwin & Co had a file of photos and when someone sent in for a cabinet of a specific player they slapped the photo on the mount and sent it out. There was no reason to make up cabinets of all the players because there was no assurance that someone would want a cabinet of Rowe-Denver or some other no name player. Why waste the mount if no one ordered the cabinet? Isn't it better to do a Dell like process and build the cabinets to order rather than holding a large inventory? I guess the question also relates to the Flynns but that is not my major concern. I'm more interested in the N173 issue. |
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Posted By: hankron
Acting preemtively, I state that an albumen print is identified by examining the print itself. If mounted or unmounted, mounted to a TV Guide or your neighbor's cat, the print itself is identified by looking at the print with a microscope. |
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Posted By: hankron
I should point out that the chances of an unmounted Cap Anson N173 albumen print, or even a Four Base Hits King Kelly, falling from the pages of your dusty library book is about as good as being bit by a shark in Oklahoma ("So David admits in writing there's a chance! We've got him!"). Perhaps worse, not knowing what kind of aquariums Tulsa and Oklahoma City have. And, besides, it would remain public library property (the albumen print not the shark bite). |
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Posted By: david
i always was under the impression that these types of albumen prints were made by first adhearing the albumen to the backing and then developing the photo. this seems to like a much better idea then developing the albumen and then adhearing the image to the cardboard. the first scenario would allow for the mass production of individual sheets, or cabinets, that could then be used as needed as opposed to whole sheets of albumen which would have to be used all at once |
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Posted By: Jay Miller
David--Did you see the lot on ebay of the cabinet size Kelly photo that some guy found in his late grandfathers bible.....just kidding. Thanks for answering my question. |
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Posted By: hankron
The norm was that the albumen print was made first, then mounted. To make the image, the photo paper was submerged in liquid chemicals, and they had to dry out the photo before putting it on the mount. As you can imaging, havine the photo paper and cardboard mount (or book pages or scorecard!) dunked in a chemical bath wouldn't work so hot. |
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Posted By: Julie
Yearbooks, and will remain there until someone offers me $25 for it. Is it over yet? |
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Posted By: Tim Mayer
I know Bob is busy, and David collects other things now..I am glad they still stop in to lend a hand...I'd like to say thanks..and it's ok to disagree...I have my own opinion on these based on everyones input...its good to have all the ideas, thoughts and talent... |
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Posted By: MW
With 168 posts, this is now the longest thread on the Network54 VBC forum. |
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Posted By: Gary B.
a lone warrior took on the rebel forces signle-handed. |
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Posted By: Julie
i just got a new catalogue from am, and... |
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Posted By: Eliot
Unbelievable!!!! Longest thread and MW wasn't involved. |
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Posted By: Julie
Adversarial, factual, or counting. |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
Since this thread will be talked about in collectors circles for years I figured i'd better get in on it before its too late. |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
I have to remember sometime to change my signature too. |
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I was doing a little research into my photo of Abner Boyce and ran across this old thread.
First let me say that I was not one of the bidders in the AM Auction. Second I've had this piece for years and cannot recall when or where or under what circumstances I acquired it. Third I can say with certainty that I didn't pay much for it. Just posting to add to the discussion. Three scans: 1. The Boyce photo measures 7.5 by 5.5 inches 2. The 1888 Goodwin inscription on the photo. Appears lower left to his right knee 3. Pose 33-3 f the actual Boyce Old Judge card |
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