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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: warshawlaw
Just picked up my first of these. Very odd looking; sort of gives the player an Addams' Family quality (looks dead). Any ideas on what these are worth vs. the normal red bg? |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: fkw
Please post a picture of yours. If it is a true Orange color (like the one below), and not a redish orange color like many so called "Orange" Cobbs, it should bring at least 3-5X book in my opinion. Frank |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: warshawlaw
anyone want to email me and I will send them the image to post. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: petecld
Adam's card: |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: andy becker
i'm a little confused, i've seen the orange cobb portrait...but i've always thought it was a printing defect (i still think that). is the orange cobb a variation of the red or is it a fifth version of t206 cobb? |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: warshawlaw
my card has a washed out face compared to the regular red background card. My guess is that as the red ink ran out, the cards got more and more orange-yellow and the faces got more and more ashen. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: warshawlaw
"Sovereign 350" back |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: JimB
I have an orange background Cobb portrait. I will scan a photo in tomorrow. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: JimB
Here is an image of my Orange variation Cobb. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: JimB
I guess I did successfully load the image! |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: Julie
(but it isn't really TOO pale, is it?), I guess it's just a lighter shade. But it IS beautiful! The two Cobbs presented here are two quite distinct colors--does someone think that one of them qualifies as an "orange Cobb" and the other one doesn't? |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: warshawlaw
prove that the printing variation is really a printing error, not a true (i.e., intentional) variation. As the red runs out, the card backgrounds gradually fade to yellow and the skin tones jaundice. This is subtle, because red is a much stronger primary color than yellow and chews up the yellow far "deeper" into the run than would be the case otherwise (add a dab of red paint to yellow and check the result then add a similar dab of yellow to red; a little red gives you a very distinct pale orange but a little yellow barely fades the red). My guess is that at some point in the print run the pressman decided that the red had run down too much and scrapped those cards before refilling the ink but allowed the remainder to go into the population. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: Art M.
Seems like the "orange" instead of "red" is one of the more common T206 color errors. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: HalleyGator
It looks like your card didn't get any YELLOW ink. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: fkw
This Joe Kelly card has a brown background, but there is some red at bottom. Frank |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: warshawlaw
anyone else have more? |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: Innocent bystander
Let me see - print errors or deviations are now variations that people would like to see given a premium on price. Very interesting. Lets apply this to a few different card issues - |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: warshawlaw
I believe that T-card print variation and miscut collecting has become a significant source of interest to many collectors looking to expand on their T-card collections. The fact that these cards command a premium is the result of recognition that they are rare, unique and interesting, and increased collecting interest as a result. I don't see what the problem is with that... |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: hankron
I think some people collect misprints as they artifacts about how the cards were made. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: warshawlaw
The worse the cut, the more interesting the T card is. I have an Ed Walsh so badly miscut that his hand reaches around the card and comes out the other side. Neat stuff. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: R. Ellingsen
Anybody hear anything new on the orange background Cobb? I am the owner of the Orange Cobb in the second post. I purchased it well over a decade ago from a older gentleman who played a few games in the majors but mostly played minor league ball as a catcher with St. Louis back in the very early 40's. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: warshawlaw
The trick is finding him/her. A common worth $20-$25 will fetch five times that with a really striking orange tone, like the Cobb shown. But will the Cobb pull $5,000+? You'd have to auction it to find out. Thanks for sharing it, though--great card. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: robert a
this one's pink/orange. you can see the printing change at the top. I don't think there should be any premium placed on "orange backgrounds." |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: warshawlaw
I understand the technical issues, but that card is way more desirable than a 10 implies. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: robert a
I guess the cobb portrait above is not your usual "poor" considering the sovereign back is clean too, but the flaking on the front is I guess why the grade what issued as such? |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: R. Ellingsen
What's really odd is I have seen a few scans of what where called orange backgrounds in the past but none of them had the vivid yellow orange mottled appearance of the one I have. Most had a more solid look to the color and were more red orange then a bright yellow orange. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: JimB
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: R. Ellingsen
Thanks for posting the scan of your card JimB! That is the first one I seen that was very similar to mine. It has the many of the same features including being shifted to the left, the colors being off register with the red high and the yellow low, right uniform edge the same, etc. They look like they were produced at close to the same time. Nice condition on it too! What back does it have? Mine has a Old Mill Factory 25 2d District. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: R. Ellingsen
Edit: Double post, web site showed a error message after I clicked submit the first time. |
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T206 Orange Background Portraits
Posted By: JimB
It is interesting to compare these. Mine seems to be missing some ink under Cobb's right eye that yours is not, though your color is a bit lighter. The back of mine is Sweet Cap 350, Factory 30, 24th Dist. |
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