33G Ruth PSA 7 -- why would the seller hide the cert. #

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Posted By: Peter Spaeth

http://cgi.ebay.com/1933-Goudey-Babe-Ruth-53-PSA-7_W0QQitemZ5234061588QQcategoryZ86843QQssPageNameZ WDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted By: Anonymous

self explanatory in the description, prevent people from stealing the image and scamming other people.

If the seller emails the cert #, you can still verify the card on the PSA website

Brian

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Posted By: DJ

Security reasons of course!

I have seen this on a couple occasions on eBay and the seller's response was because of security reasons. They feared that the certification number would be stolen.

DJ

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Posted By: Wesley

I am not a centering freak, but that card is really off-centered for an unqualified 7.

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Posted By: Peter Spaeth

Wes I had the same thought about the centering. Although maybe the scan distorts it a little because it is so small?

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Posted By: Anonymous

However, it would be a little difficult (not a lot difficult) to supply a legit cert #

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Posted By: Peter Spaeth

Someone could steal the scan, get the real cert number from the seller, use the same scan later, and supply the real cert.

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Posted By: Charlie O'Neal

I think it is more effective to write your name on the tape covering the cert number. Like it is right now all I would have to do is email the seller to get the cert. number and I would still be able to steal the picture and list it next month. I tend to shy away from auctions like this for that very reason. Eventhough I can't afford the card in in the first place.

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Posted By: cmoking

I emailed him and got the certification number. I have also in the past won a 1934 Goudey Gehrig #61 PSA 8 from him, and received the card without any problems. The guy is legit.

As for the centering, yes it is off center, but the last two PSA 7 53 Ruths that have been up for auction (Sothebys and Memory Lane) have been oc too. You could argue none of them should be 7s though and I wouldn't argue back.

Here's the Sothebys card



And here's the Memory Lane card

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Posted By: cmoking

There are a few things I don't like about PSA (gasp), although I do like them in general. One of those things is that they don't punish the grade of a card when it is very off center from L/R, but will when it is equivalently off center from T/B. Why is this? I don't know. But as you can see in all these three PSA 7 Ruths, they are all around 90/10 or so L/R. With the same centering T/B, it wouldn't get higher than a 6...at least based on the cards I have or have seen. For me, L/R off centering really bothers me because it is very noticeable...but T/B off centering doesn't bother me nearly as much. So getting a PSA 6 with T/B oc with PSA 8 corners is a great bargain for this collector.

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Posted By: joe brennan

Its poosible that the submitter ask for no qualifiers. Theses cards could be legit 9 oc's and with a request for no qualifiers knocked them 2 grades to a 7. Just a thought.

Moral Values " What would you do if no one was looking? Only you would know" Instilled in me by James W. Brennan Sr.

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Posted By: Josh K.

Actually, if the owner asked for no qualifiers and they were truly centered 90/10, it wouldnt knock the cards from a nine to a 7 - it should knock the cards all the way down to a 2 or 3 (or whatever the maximum grade is that permits 90/10 centering).

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Thank You, Josh! That's absolutely right. IF PSA follows their own rules THEN what you said is CORRECT!!!

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Posted By: Alan

Wish I could afford it. I will be curious to see what this one goes for, being that the seller says it went for $11,500 a few years ago from Mastro.