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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Adam J. Baxter
Reeling Baseball Card Industry Looking to Stop Slump |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Adam J. Baxter
"the hobby's landscape had become cluttered and confusing for collectors" |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: jay behrens
"...Donruss scored points buy purchasing ans cutting up a Babe Ruth uniform." |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jay's point is right on. The hobby took a nosedive with the proliferation of the 50 sets per year and so many 1/1 cards. When kids actually had a chacnce to complete the one available set a year, everyone was interested. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: warshawlaw
When I was a kid we all competed to see who could get a complete run of Aaron, Mays and Clemente cards. I pulled off a full Topps Mays run when I was 11; my friend finished Clemente that year too. Today there are hundreds or even thousands of cards of a particular player, many of which are subject to contrived scarcity, which makes it impossible for kids to do what we used to do. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Mike H
They are all suffering the fate they deserve...a new curse of the Bambino, for cutting up his jersey. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Talking about new cards???? Ahhh, as it relates to the hobby in general. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: jay behrens
I remeber back in the 80s, I think it was ProSet, talked about a "living set". The idea was that you started with your basic set. During the course of the year, as players got hurt and replaced, you pulled their cards from the set and replaced them with the guys that took their roster spot. Talk about the ultimate chase cards. Doing something like this would force people to buy cards all year long if they want to complete a set and would create some serious short prints. People chasing rookie cards would also be buying cards all year long in hopes of snagging those short printed rookies in hopes that they blossom into stars. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Al Crisafulli
I have a different view on this, I think. Yes, I do think there are too many sets out there, but I think that's a result of the card companies trying to build in scarcity and stimulate sales from a smaller customer base than there was in the 1970s and 80s. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Charlie O'Neal
When I was a kid I collected for 1987 to 1992. By 1991 I started getting discouraged by how many different subsets that companies put out where I finally gave up about halfway though 1992. Looking at the price guide now, what I felt like was to much excess in the early 90's seems as though it has increased 10 fold today in regards to how many different cards are produced today. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Mark Macrae and I went to the Kit Young Hawaii Show in Feb 1993 |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: warshawlaw
are autographed inserts when their prices drop to the point where it is much cheaper to get the insert than to actually get an autograph at a show. Other than that I pay no attention to the new stuff. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I think baseball cards themselves as the "product" will eventually fade out altogether. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Anson
Oh c'mon, who wants to buy my triple triumverant pentacular blue-gold refracting game-used die-cut autographed mirror plutonium 1/1 Ichiro rookie? |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Bryan
a couple of months ago being that I was a big Bo fan in the late 80's. Well I am bored of it and want to get rid of it to buy some more vintage stuff. I bought a Beckett to see what it is worth to get an idea. I CAN NOT FIGURE OUT WHICH SET IT IS FROM! There are so many parallel sets that I don't have a clue which one it is. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
HAL |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Ted: |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Hal, |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Bryan
Hal, |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Bryan: |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Think about it this way: |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Greg Ecklund
Most of the issues from the 80's that were inserted into products were quite ugly, and it seemed like little thought went into the design of them - those cards were certainly not up to the design of sets like T205 or T3. The rights to MLB logos were a big problem...I have some Dorman's (I think) cards that were inserted into cheese slices, and the pictures are all mugshots with the team logo airbrushed off. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: tbob
Am I the only one who thinks the beginning of the end for modern cards was when Topps lost its monopoly in the law suit to Fleer in 1981? Normally monopolies are a bad thing but in this case, it allowed a little order and sanity in the modern card market. True, Topps' offerings from 1973 until 1980 were pretty poor looking aesthetically but the debacle that followed the law suit has crippled the card industry and I predict it will never pull out again. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Greg Ecklund
Everything was still alright when it was just Topps, Donruss, and Fleer (although I never knew any different as I started collecting in 1988). Upper Deck's arrival is what screwed things up because they pushed the envelope on prices and forced the other companies to come out with "premium" brands of their own. That spiraled out of control and resulted in "premium", "super-premium", "super-duper premium", and "ultra premium" products, some with refractors of refractors and those ridiculous 1/1 cards. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
The funny part about adding competition (Donruss, Fleer and Upperdeck) to the baseball card manufacturing game is that competition usually results in lower prices. In this case competition resulted in the beginning of the end for kids and baseball cards. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Al Crisafulli
Here's the bottom line for me. I took my ten-year-old son to the East Coast National a few weeks ago. He loves basketball, and has a few hundred cards from various years - he's very casual about his collection. Walking the floor of the show, I was SHOCKED - four separate times, adults on the floor used the "f" word in conversation with other adults, right in front of my son - then, turned to me and apologized for the language. My son became pretty timid around all these grown-ups, using truck driver language and standing around, poking fun of all the shiny cards. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Bryan
Hal, |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Bryan
If buying shiny new cards got my kid interested in collecting and maybe someday interested in collecting vintage I would buy boxes of the new stuff and have a smile on my face while doing it. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: dennis
i agree with just about everything everyone has posted about modern cards. i quit buying them in 1993 thinking there were too many sets then.that was the tip of the iceberg, just pick up a beckett and there's like 2 pages of card prices for vintage and 200 pages for modern since 1995! |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: tobacco-r-us
Ted, |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
JOE |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: steve k
<<< I think baseball cards themselves as the "product" will eventually fade out altogether.>>> |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: warshawlaw
Two bucks a package of two? Man, it HAS been a while since I bought any of those... |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Anson
Unfortunately, it would only give me one more reason to buy Milk Duds (looks down). Ugh! |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: John_B_California
I don't know if video games and entertainment are to blame. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: tobacco-r-us
Better yet, will you be at Port Washington? |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: jay behrens
Steve, I totally agree with you. I used to hate it when Topps would only put the person year and career totals on a card. I wanted to see everything. When they put minor league stats on, it was a huge bonus. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Nick
Upper Deck came out with a set called PowerDeck that had a mini CD-ROM in each pack, normally featuring one player, with the player's picture and some stats on the non-play side of the CD. There were also 2 cards on cardstock in each pack, and it retailed for about $4.99 a pack. Donruss also came out with a smaller version of that, called CyberCards V.1 if I remember correctly. Both of these were at least 5 years ago. They didn't hold their value either. I picked some of the CD-ROM cards up recently in a dealer's dime box. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
JOE |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Instead of "Ben and Jerry's" Ice Cream... |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
HAL |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: bob
I live just outside of Boston and have to disagree with you. I think Ben and Jerries is very good. Also Brigham's is much better than Friendlys (esp. their vanilla). Actually I think there are a number of mom and pop ice cream stores (in New England at least) that are better than Brighams and Friendlys. Except for vanilla. No one beats Brighams. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I wont argue with you.....different folks have different tastes. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Greg Ecklund
Never had Friendly's but have heard good things about them. The best ice cream I've ever had is Blue Bell - I have a friend from Texas who brings some up to me whenever he visits because it isn't sold in Illinois. Their Birthday Cake ice cream is probably my favorite flavor...vanilla ice cream with pieces of chocolate cake, chocolate icing, and sprinkles. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Richard Masson
Nothing beats a watermelon Fribble on a hot summer day... |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: tobacco-r-us
I just love drinking Vintage ice cream, but I think we better start looking for a Co. with a good distribution for the cards, before the ice cream melts. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Bob
I believe Friendlys did originate in the Boston area. I guess I'm prejudiced torward Brighams because. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Peter Thomas
As an old timer from Boston, Brighams and Bailys were the ice cream of choice. in the 50's and 60's Brighams expanded and Bailys did not and eventually died in the 80's. Friendlys started in Springfield in western Massachusetts in the 20's or 30's and started expanding in the 50's. Now they are into Florida. Second tier at best. Every small town arround Boston had a local place, in Natick it was Wallaces that was open about 6 months of the year. My favorate was half Black Rasberry and half Coffee. That was the best. Try to get a couple of these babies in each trip back. No cards though. |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
PETER and BOB |
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I'm glad I'm a vintage collector-Interesting article about hobby
Posted By: Mark
Even with just two major companies, I seriously doubt the industry will see a big reduction in the number of sets produced. Both Topps and UD will be economically incentivized to produce many sets in hopes that one strikes a chord with each buyer. It's the same reason that Post and Kelloggs each produce 15+ varieties of cereal - shelf space. If Post only had one ceral, it might get two feet with of shelf space. By having 15+ brands of cereal, Post gets 30+ feet of shelf space and Kelloggs had that much less space. In college, they actually explained this us in most sophisiticated terminology, but I was too hung over from drinking one of the 15+ offerings from Anheuser-Busch for it to sink in long-term. |
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