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	I'm wondering how rare these t4's are.  smoke em if you got em...let's see them!  Here's my Melchoir!  | 
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	c'mon...i know they're out there!  | 
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	wow Jim!  Sweeettt!  | 
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			Posted By: Chris Counts 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	Are the all the T4 images the same ones used in the regular Obak sets? Certainly Cutshaw is and the others look very familiar as well ...  | 
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			Posted By: ullmandds 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	I DO believe they are the same.  My melchoir obak is certainly the same as my t4.  | 
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			Posted By: Zach Smith 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	I've only seen a few pics of these. Are they blank backed or is there anything on the reverse? I really like them. They're very "plain" but there's something nice about these T4's.  | 
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			Posted By: Max Weder 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	Has anyone ever seen a Vancouver or Victoria T4?  I know SCD lists a couple from Victoria, but I've never seen any at auction or heard of any in any collections.    | 
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			Posted By: pete ullman 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	zach...they're blank blacked although some have writing in pencil to designate card # or player name and are believed to be original from the factory.  chack out jim's site...he has a bunch of them front and back.  | 
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			Posted By: Zach Smith 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	Thanks for the info. I checked out the site (must have missed that when I read through this post). The handwriting is consistant... has that old school "Ty Cobb-ish" look to it. Very neat. How much do these bad boys normally go for? Also, I noticed on the scans of the backs you can see the ring from the front. Are the rings raised up in the front? Hard to tell from the scans.  | 
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			Posted By: pete ullman 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I paid $2300 for mine...+juice!!!!  | 
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			Posted By: Zach Smith 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	Yeah, I looked them up in SMR and they all have N/A under prices. I figured that meant they were rare/expensive. Were they something that had to be requested or what?  | 
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			Posted By: Max Weder 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	Yes, they had to be requested as a premium.  Here is an obak coupon with list of players  | 
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			Posted By: pete ullman 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	here's the header info from lew lipsets last auction in nov where he featured a mother load of t4's    | 
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