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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
In two recent Threads the question was raised....which card can be considered |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Andrew Parks
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Posted By: Scott Gross
I like the rf vs. cf theory on the Cobb cards. |
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Posted By: dd
Wolverine and Dietsche post cards. |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Andrew and Scott |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
This topic will definitely be setting up the debate of what truly is a card. Is a postcard a card? Let the debates begin... this is always an interesting topic. |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: leon
Not so long ago all of the guides classified the E102's as 1908. Actually I thought they put them at 1909 now but don't have any references with me at work.... Now the question is "What is classified as a card?". The earliest example I can think of, with an ACC #, is the 1906 W601 of Detroit...and although it's a large premium, it predates most other cards/things....(I think) |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Rich Klein
There was a time near the end of Nolan Ryan's career when the 1967 Topps Mets Team card was especially hot since Ryan's face was very visible on that card and his Rookie Card would not be till 1908. |
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Posted By: Wesley
I thought the W601 Sporting Life Team Composites were released over the course of several years. Does the first Detroit composite that includes Cobb have the year printed on front? |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Steve M
came in two forms, one being the large display items that were in bound volumes and the second in the postcard series. They are both dated on the fronts. While I have never seen a W601 Detroit postcard (which by the way is the last one I need for my set) I do believe that Cobb is on it and it will be dated 1906. That IS his "Rookie"!!! |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: leon
I had a large composite but sold it because I had no way to display or store it. It always layed around in my office. It also had a stain on the Cobby portrait. I have seen a few of the large 1906 Detroit composites but not any of the postcards....although I am sure there are some out there...btw, nice plug Steve If I see one I will let ya know....regards |
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Posted By: Richard
I believe postcards and exhibits count as cards, and can be rookie cards. I do not think that a team picture counts as a rookie card. |
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Posted By: Brian E.
T206 Bat On |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: peter ullman
i agree that the postcards from 1907 are the definitive cobb rookies. |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
LEON |
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Posted By: Enright, Daniel
The whole postcard thing has me not really understanding........... |
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Posted By: Jay Miller
Ted--No question in my mind--Dietsche cards are his rookies with the fielding version being the much tougher one. |
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Posted By: Brian E.
So since the E103 shows RF, does that make it a 1909 rather than a 1910 issue? |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: leon
I am not arguing the point I was just saying that not so long ago the guides had the E102's at 1908. That's all. As for it being an '09 or '10 set it really doesn't matter to me since I don't collector rookie, prookie, or nookie (well, had to throw the last one in to make it rhyme) HOF'ers... |
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Posted By: Greg
Please forgive my ignorance as I have very little knowledge on the subject, but I saw this weekend, at an antique co-op, a 1907 Detroit Tigers team postcard with Cobb listed. It had some writing along the sides. I did not purchase the card, but if anyone has an interest in it, I could go back if you did. Thanks, Greg |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
LEON |
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Posted By: Anonymous
then the W600 wins. Is it possible to tell a 1907 issue W600 from ones that may have been issued in later years? |
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Posted By: Josh K.
I will put my two cents it for the postcards. Contrary to an earlier post, I dont think that the fact that it was issued with a post card back means they werent intended to be collected. Many exhibits came with postcard backs and I think it is accepted that they were meant to be collected. It is just as likely that the postcards were meant to be collectibles but the pc back was added to appeal to non-collectors and widen the "audience" that would view any advertisements. |
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Posted By: Elliot
W601's are not team pictures, but rather are composites of individual pictures. To me, the W601 would be Cobb's rookie (he even looks young in the pic), but we can certainly debate whether or not it's a card. |
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Posted By: Wesley
W601s are poster-size aren't they? |
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Posted By: Richard
Elliot - if he looks young, then that must be his rookie! |
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Posted By: H Murphy
What year did ther W555 officially make the scene? |
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Posted By: Enright, Daniel
Well, I respect your position Josh, but I would argue that the very reason advertising was affixed to the 'back' of tobacco and similar cards, was becuase there was an expectation the cards would be kept and remind the owner of the product...... |
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Posted By: ScottIngold
i also agree that the postcards from 1907 are the definitive cobb rookies. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
im not sure what Cobbs real rookie is but that is a beautiful E102. If that is ever for sale please let me know |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
My wife and I frequent many Antique Shops. Our collecting habits are quite |
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Posted By: Jim Clarke
My vote is for any of the postcards from 1907. JC in Atlanta! |
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Posted By: Brett
A postcard is a postcard. A baseball card is a baseball card. I say the e102 ! |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Postcards have been collected as long as they have been produced. Most people, when they sent a post card would a send a card teling something about the location they were visiting, or they find a card that the person receiving the card would enjoy having. If the person was a Tigers fan, you'd probably send a card of Ty Cobb or another Tiger to that person. |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Andrew Parks
Ted, |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Andrew |
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Posted By: Josh K.
Brett - Dont you think your "a postcard is a postcard, and a baseball card is a baseball card" line is a bit simplistic. What is your definition of a baseball card? Is it size? Ok, if so, I guess a cabinet card isnt a baseball card. Is it something made out of cardboard and intended to be collected? Ok, if so, I think a postcard may qualify. They are clearly made out of cardboard and as Jay points out, have been collected since they were first produced. Daniel notes that people didnt have the disposable income to buy postcards and not use them - that, to me, is nothing more than a presumption. Postcards back then were probably given away as advertisements for different establishments/companies or cost no more than a penny. Just like today, there were "haves" who could afford to buy a postcard and "have nots" who obviously could not. |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: identify7
Agreed Ted, a large percentage of collectors who do not focus on specific set completion or type sets collect cards which commemorate events which occured in baseball. The first to see significant impact is rookie cards, but others such as perfect games, MVP winners, etc. are similarly collected. For this type of collecting, the year of issue of a card is an important factor. |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Robert S
Without weighing-in on whether a postcard is a card is a card debate... |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
....what "ticks me off" me off is that all these various set dates were known and |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
Robert S |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Brian |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: HandsAtNeck
Pennsy Ted: |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Gil |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Josh K.
Ted, |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Josh |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: HandsAtNeck
Ted: do you consider "argumentative" as a negative characteristic? |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
GIL |
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Posted By: Anonymous
The Cobb in this thread was graded a little over a year ago. Also I just received a shipment of E102's from SGC two months ago. In it were my Wagner Fielding, my Doyle Throwing, a Murphy and my Schmidt. All have 1908 labels. |
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Let's again debate Cobb's real 1st card ?
Posted By: Jerry Spillman
The Sporting Life Publication Company made their first offering of this Ty Cobb baseball card in September of 1907. Neither the Carl Horner photo nor card format was changed during the remaining years that the card was available. |
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