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T206 Honus Wagner-Piedmont
Posted By: TheCard
I am the co-owner of the card you guys are discussing. I find it disturbing that you guys will discuss a topic without the total facts on what you are discussing. I see that there are a lot of player hater in the house, full of jokes but know facts. For its fact that stand up in a court of law. Let's get to the facts. |
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Posted By: peter ullman
pulling the race card is ludacris...noone here cares about the color of your skin...we only care about baseball cards. Most here are experts in the field of vintage baseball cards and can tell a fake just by looking at it. You card is a bad bad fake. Anyone with some old stock...a laserprinter and a computer can make a reprint of a vintage card...so yes...all reprints have origins...but the permutations are limitless in this day and age. |
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T206 Honus Wagner-Piedmont
Posted By: Steve Dawson
To answer #6 above: |
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Posted By: Adam Smith
No reasonable collector will buy the fake Wagner |
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Posted By: Mike
Wow, I thought Sean had returned for a minute there. Anyway, I hope everyone IS scared off, then the card will be MINE!!!!!! |
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Posted By: David McDonald
Reads like a 419 scam. Quite bizarre. |
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Posted By: nbbrazil
Point #6 just shows us how little you know about baseball cards, how collectors see the T206 wagner and the utility of grading. |
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Posted By: Steve M.
Mike |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Spellcheck? |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
Go to Bill Mastro and offer it to him. He's a wealthy man who buys |
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Posted By: jackgoodman
I agree with Steve M. If he's a serious man, he should be treated with respect. |
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Posted By: Ray Piskadlo
Even though I don't post much... as a T206 set collector, I feel the need to respond to this thread. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
I have no doubt that the folks here, fresh from "copperstown" and dinner with "Mestro" will have no problems buying into this one. |
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Posted By: Joann
1. It's not necessary for someone to identify WHO reprinted something to say it's a reprint. If I get a Mona Lisa for $8 at a starving artists sale, I can pretty much say it's not a DaVinci even though I have no clue who painted the reproduction. |
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Posted By: David McDonald
Wagners of Mass Deception ? |
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Posted By: DJ
What a complete bunch of freaking nonsense. |
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Posted By: TONY
Quit wasting everyone's time...... |
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Posted By: J Levine
I will answer your questions for you eventhough I really doubt you will listen to any of my advice. |
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Posted By: peter ullman
very eloquently stated, Adam. |
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Posted By: steve f
Golly, This kid really wants a new Lamborghini... These replies show tremendous restraint. Incredible |
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Posted By: dennis
it is the first card to be authenticated thru sciece. "Blinding me with science - science!" |
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Posted By: Mark
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Posted By: NickM
Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. AND QUIT TRYING TO SELL THAT LOUSY FAKE. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I've been off the board a few hours only to see that the s**t has finally hit the fan. To the owner of this T206 Wagner: what I think should be done here is the police should be called and perhaps you and your buddy should be arrested for dealing in fraudulent material. I'm not a lawyer but I believe a 300K item falls under the category of grand larceny. And if you think that this is an issue about race, then not only are you a thief but you are also an idiot. Your card is fake, everyone knows that, and I believe you do too. Quit trying to play everybody for your fool!! |
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Posted By: Jim F
If someone bids on your card will you throw in a years supply of Super Colon Cleanser from your site?? Cause they're going to need it!! |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
A note to the owner of this card: |
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Posted By: Anonymous
I am black but I can still tell your card is just a bad quality reprint. |
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Posted By: ScottIngold
TRIPPING ON US ?????? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
The more I think about this the angrier I get. You feel that no collector would dare hand over a valuable card to a grading service lest they damage or steal it. Well guess what- EVERY COLLECTOR who owned a Wagner would give it to PSA,SGC, or GAI to have it graded and authenticated. Not a few collectors, not some collectors, but ALL COLLECTORS! Except you two clowns because you have it all worked out. You know more than the grading services, and you know more than all the advanced collectors on this board. Well you know what, you do know a good con when you see one, but you don't know anything about baseball cards. I've spent the last 25 years of my life studying them, and a blind man could tell your card is a fake. Not only are you two going to end up in a lot of trouble but you will take the auction house down with you too. What a foolish and stubborn pair the both of you are. This is just shameful. |
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Posted By: JT Burtchaell
Honestly I was up in the air as to whether these two guys were: |
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Posted By: ScottIngold
Almost forgot. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
What a laugher. Dude, here's some advice: learn to read and write and get a J-O-B. It's not your black skin that causes everyone out here to point out what Stevie Wonder can see: you're a fraud, your card is weak and Whitey isn't the one who is keeping you down--it's your lack of integrity (and a lousy reprint). Since your card is presently apparently worth nothing, what do you have to lose to send it in to a major grading company? If it comes back as a fake, you could always blame it on The Man! |
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Posted By: Matt E.
Unless the word Reprint is ADDED. |
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Posted By: John S
Your long-winded pathetic defense tells me without even seeing the card that it is fake. Why would you waste your time defending the authenticity of a real card? And by the way, I have seen the card; quite possibly the worst fake that I have seen in some time. A couple bits of advice (1) don't play the race card, a scammer is scammer, white, black, green, or purple (2) don't drop the soap. |
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Posted By: Bruce Babcock
I wonder how many bidders have been approved by the auction house thus far? |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
but that doesn't make me Wang's fiancée in Big Trouble in Little China........ While being black does make life an undeniable more difficult road to hoe in these franchised western capitalist societies found ubiquitously around the globe - equally true is the standards, and ethics, and graciousness, and humble grace displayed by all those who wish to truly rise above such base bigotry by the ignorant, the only true path to greatness, and glory, and god's respect. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Bruce- that's one nasty newspaper article. I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. If 900 experts told these two guys the card is fake, their response would be that all 900 are wrong, jealous, or just racists. Why are we even wasting our time here? |
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Posted By: joe brennan
This whole thing is like a bad car wreck. You just can't help yourself, you have to look. Just a few comments. |
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Posted By: Steve M.
How do you really feel? |
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Posted By: Seth B.
The real racist: |
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Posted By: joe brennan
Seth, Nice Greeny. Send it to me and I'll take a fiber sample. |
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Posted By: DJ
Like a board member above, the more I thought about it, the angrier I got. It's hard to make a good honest living and this is truly, truly sad and shows poor judgement on the auctioneers part as he refuses to take any kind of action on this item. He obviously doesn't care about his reputation. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
You guys said it well... I've read through it all. |
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Posted By: Rich Mueller
Isn't George Hamilton the mayor of Coppertown? |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
According to the article, the owners weren't present when the card |
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Posted By: Dave Simon
So you send the card in and they won't grade it -- big deal. You can still sell it ungraded. |
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Posted By: Bill
I am pretty sure GAI grades cards openly (you can watch) at most larger shows. |
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Posted By: Dan Kravitz
I guess it doesn't matter because no one in there right mind would buy a card that is the single most forged card in our hobby, without the card being authenticated, seeing the card in person, or at least being in a legitimate auction. I am sure the Owner of the card wants very badly for someone to jump up and take a chance. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! Most likely that type of card is sold to someone on this board. Anyone else would not be interested in that card; therefore, it will not sell. You may not believe we are experts in card authentication, and if that is the case, who is? I would rather get my information from someone who deals on a regular basis with cards and has touched 1,000's, than a guy who says the paper is old. Unfortunately you own a fake Wagner. I think most of us dreamed at one time that we might come across an $1,800 card that is worth $300K-$500K. Not likely. Too much information is available to us. Please believe the knowledgeable people on this board. Your Wagner is not real. You are embarrassing yourself by coming on this board and doing whatever you can to legitimize your card. |
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Posted By: David Smith
that these two guys are "entreprenuers", at least that is what the newspaper article says. If they are gutsy enough to try and sell a fake T206 Wagner at auction, without it being graded and also come on this board, just think what type of scams and rip-offs they pull on their customers in their regular businesses... Scary. |
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T206 Honus Wagner-Piedmont
Posted By: Jeff
Everything else aside, if you/this guy were to get the endorsement of one of the 3 big grading companies, then the card will automatically sell for...what...SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE??!! |
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