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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Well, that's what is so frustrating about the HOF standards: Santo made the AS team 9 times, Hodges and Oliva 8 times each (and Hodges won a WS as a manager). Forget their numbers -- how do you keep these three guys out of the HOF based simply on the fact that for nearly a decade they dominated baseball at their position? What more should be asked of you? Comparing numbers from different generations of ball players just does not provide justice. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Good for you Joe Morgan. The Hall of Fame is not just for the very very good but the greats of the game. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I agree with that. The players who just missed were very good indeed, but were they greats? Borderline perhaps. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Good question Peter. No doubt he was a fine player, and he is as good as others who are already in. But was he a great player...perhaps not. Obviously, there is some reason he misses every year. Was he not a likable sort? |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Posted By: peter chao
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I have tremendous admiration for Gil Hodges. I also admire Bill Mazeroski...but I don't think he should be in the HOF. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I guess my preference is for the guys that put up big numbers...and fielding percentage is a bit of a yawner. I know Maz was a fine player, but Hank Aaron is a little more my type! |
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Posted By: peter chao
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
With 500 HRs, 3000 hits, and those huge RBI numbers, yes. Of course he is not the best player in there. But a worthy addition. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Yeah, I think Murray would still qualify. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Barry, |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I agree with Jeff...there are players from my youth like Rice, Dawson and Garvey who dominated the game and don't even get much recognition. I would even place Dale Murphy on that list. It seems as though they may have just hit baseball at a time right before the steroid era 1987-present which makes their stats look a little weak in comparison to the anabolic monsters. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
There's no doubt there are dozens of candidates out there worthy of consideration...but they just can't all get in. |
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Posted By: Mark L
Whenever I sit back and reflect on the injustices of the baseball world in general and of the Hall of Fame in particular, I console myself by remembering that I can still distinguish a higher echelon of Hall of Famers, like Ruth and Wagner and Aaron, from lesser figures such as Maz and Harry Hooper and Cepeda, by the fact that the truly great were elected by the Baseball Writers and the less great, by the Veterans. There is, or ought to be, a first class cabin for the ones who were elected by the writers. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Mark, |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
The Hall of Fame is first and foremost a museum dedicated to baseball's rich and complex history. If you study the history of any subject, you'' will see it is constantly being revised as those who study it gain a perspective that is only possible after a lengthy passage of time. Baseball history, in this sense, is no different than art history, political history or the history of the Civil War. With a greater access to information (thank you Bill James!), statistics and personal accounts, baseball historians have a better perspective now than they ever had before. Plus, there are more people than ever with access to this information. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
Peter, |
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Chris, |
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Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Jason L, |
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Posted By: howard
Although poorly expressed I think that jason L. was just giving his opinion of the perception of Ripken among sports writers and fans, not making a statement about his own feelings. I think he overstates the case but, like it or not, many folks root for people of their own race and the majority of fans in this country are white. |
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Posted By: Matt Goebel
Who roots for athletes based on race? |
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Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Matt, |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
Peter, |
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Posted By: Ken McMillan
I actually talked to Santo at spring training. He was still up, but you could tell he was disappointed. What is wrong with the veterins committee? Santo is a quality person and was one of the best third basemen of his time. Maybe the committe needs to meet annually since they seem to have such a short memory as to not electing anyone!!! |
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Posted By: peter chao
Chris, |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
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