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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: Jamie
What are the differences between blank backs and printers scraps... I was told there are 2 types of blank backs.. hand cut and factory cut.. are the hand cut blank backs called printers scraps? or are they totally seperate things.... and if they are different how can you tell the difference? |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: davidcycleback
Fair to assume the handcut ones are printer's scraps. Scraps usually have front printing problems, ala bad registration, ghosts, color issues. Perhaps when the entire print run was finished, blank backs were considered the boo boo and not cut up into final cards. In the middle of the print run you could stick the sheet back in the printer, but when printing was finished they scrapped it as unfinished. There was no point in factory cutting up and sticking into packs tobacco adverts with no tobacco advertising. Most scraps have backs. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: Jay
If a dealer is selling it, or an auction house is auctioning it, it is blank back. If you are selling it, it is printer's scrap. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: davidcycleback
Jay, if a dealer's buying it it's a printer's scrap. If he's selling it it's a blank back. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: Jamie
Told they were printers scraps and not true blank backs... what ever the hell that means.... they dont have any flaws like printing errors or ghost images on them..... you be the judge.. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: Jamie
So a printers scrap with a blank back is still a blank back right? |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: MVSNYC
a card without an advertisement printed on its reverse, is considered a "blank back", period. they come in different forms (proofs, handcut, factory cut, etc), but they are ALL considered blank backs, which command a premium, with printer's proofs commanding a huge premium. printer's proofs were created (front printing only) before mass producing the cards. they allowed the printers to allign the various colors, and make a final mock-up or sample... |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: J Hull
blank-backed scraps... |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: jamie
Thank Matt |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: robert a
I think the term "printer's scrap" has become a generic name for blank backed cards. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: MVSNYC
robert sorry to disagree, but i do... |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: davidcycleback
Assuming it hasn't been skinned, a blank backed card is a card that has a blank back. It's a literal and self-explanatory term. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: robert a
Michael. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: jamie
if I were to send these into sgc.. would the label read blank back? or printers scrap.. any thoughts? |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: barrysloate
You might want to first ask them if they accept blank backs for grading. I thought I heard they didn't, but I could be wrong. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: Dave Hornish
You can call Michael Goldberg at SGC and ask him; they are user friendly. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: MVSNYC
SGC recently graded 2 blank backs for me (says blank back on the label)...they historically did not grade them, but if they are the proper thickness, they will now slab them "A" authentic. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: boxingcardman
The distinction is over whether we can see an item was distributed. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: MVSNYC
thanks Adam, you said it more eloquently than i was able to... |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: robert a
Yeah well said Adam. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: davidcycleback
A seller of a blank back can simply give nice pics, describe the edges (rough cut, oversized, whatever) and let the bidders decide what to call it. There's no law that says you have to label it as scrap or not. While some scraps are obviously scraps (oversized, obvious printing errors, obviously handcut) Jaimie's are not so obvious one way or the other. One has a bit of a rough cut, while the other looks machine cut (though cut crooked). I can only see two cards, but both might be factory cuts with handling and wear. You see factory cut T206s with worse wear than those. Scraps often to usually have much wilder cuts, obviously cut by hand. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: jamie
Thanks to david and everyone who helped with this thread.. I guess the guy at gthe card show was trying to dup me into selling them.. cause right after he told me they werent blank backs and were printers scraps he offered to buy them from me... back stabbing industry.. at least we have the board. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: Eric G.
I don't have any blank back cards or printers scraps but below are some proof sheets from my collection. All of these proofs have blank backs. Not baseball but I hope you like them anyways. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: robert a
Very cool Eric...especially that T51 sheet. Wow. |
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t206 Blank Back vs Printers Scrap
Posted By: davidcycleback
Proofs are usually blank backed as well. They are often on different stock than the regular cards as well. I also agree that Eric's proofs are cool. |
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