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O/T what happened to the NBA? Bad Marketing?
Posted By: rand
i hope this brings a bit of insight, but what happened to the NBA? Is it me, or has the Association dropped out of sight? Is it a lack of proper marketing, stars, David Stern, or thuggery? The days of Bird & Magic, Jordan vs the World, its fallen so far down, i don't even pay any attention till the conference finals (depending on the teams). |
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Posted By: barrysloate
The league is just boring. It's hard to keep track of the players- I may be watching a game and I realize I've never heard of half these guys- and there are no compelling teams or compelling stories to hold fans' interest. The league is long past its hey dey. |
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Posted By: Matt
I'm viewing through LeBron colored glasses, but I haven't been this entertained watching early season games since the Mark Price Cavs of the 80s. |
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Posted By: Fred C
If you ever get tired of watching that show called "LA Ink" you can always tune into an NBA game and see the cool skin art there. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I gave up season tickets to the Nets this year, after holding them for four years. In my case I got tired of watching all the off-the-court BS, while the team sheds its big contracts in anticipation of its move to Brooklyn. Essentially they're playing out the string in Jersey, fielding a mildly competitive team that will mature and become exciting just in time for their planned exodus. |
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Posted By: Jason L
primarily the tatts. |
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O/T what happened to the NBA? Bad Marketing?
Posted By: Shawn Chambers
For me, the NBA (as well as professional football) has always bored me because of the endless "hotdogging". I'll watch an NBA game and the most routine shot (not even under pressure) warrants backpedaling, hi-fiving, chest thumping, ass grabbing, etc. Every 3 yard gain on the gridiron or layup on the courts becomes the end of the world. |
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Posted By: Wil Jordan
What is going on in the NBA is a combination of things Stern and Bad Marketing certainly are two of the reasons attendance is falling. However, I think that fans are just tired the Hip Hop crap and the me me generation. It was like this before Bird, Magic, and MJ and I am affraid I don't see anyone like these guys coming into the NBA anytime soon. Thus you are going to continue to see a downward sprial of the NBA. This is why Stern is working so hard to market the NBA in China and other places overseas. The economy certainly plays a part but were you have good teams and team players you still see sell outs. Think about it would you pay top dollar to see these chest pounding, trash talking, tatooed, spoiled rich loud mouths jump up and down every 24 seconds? |
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Posted By: Steve F
Doing quite well I must say. Cheerio. |
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O/T what happened to the NBA? Bad Marketing?
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Here's another thing that bugs the HELL out of me, and I realize it's part of the nature of the beast these days, but that doesn't make it any less irritating. |
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Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Sounds like integration ruined the NBA for most fans on the board. Tattoos? Tattoos are why you don't like the NBA? Come on! I think you mean tattoos combined with corn rows, don't you? Pretty sure some of the people saying tattoos and thugs are ruining the NBA are the same ones who sang the praises of Josh Hamilton's Home Run Derby performance and wore fake Jason Giambi moustaches at Yankee Stadium. Or won't you watch those guys because they have tattoos? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Johnny Most was a legend, and he delivered perhaps the NBA's most quotable line: |
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O/T what happened to the NBA? Bad Marketing?
Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Another classic, 20+ years later: "Steal by Bird. Underneath to DJ..." |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Ryan- wasn't that Isaiah Thomas's bad pass? |
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Posted By: Jason L
because of the tatts. |
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Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Barry, |
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O/T what happened to the NBA? Bad Marketing?
Posted By: rand
i think the downslide (my opinion) was after Jordan, Shaq & Kobe were to take the torch. Shaq was always hurt (allegedly) at the start of the season and never did sh#! till the playoffs, just no sense of urgency. so much money is going to some of these guys with Guaranteed Contracts (nice job nbapa) they have no real need to kill themselves. no real rivalries exist at this time either. by the way, they dont drug test for pot either. |
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Posted By: James Feagin
Love college basketball, hate the NBA. |
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Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Jason, |
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Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Rand, |
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Posted By: nbrazil
arguments like the nba has too many thugs, is hip hop culture oriented, players wear too many tattoos, and the like are pretty superficial reasons why the nba has gone down the tube. football is highly popular in the states...and the nfl have plenty of thugs, criminals and tattooed freaks. ray caruth, pacman jones, travis henry, the entire Cincinnati bengals roster... |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I don't think the reason for the NBA's downturn is due to the huge white fan base/predominant black rosters. I think the main reason is simply the lack of team basketball; the game has primarily become a game of 1 on 1. There is seemingly no strategy involved anymore -- just one guy gets the ball on offense, the rest of the team clears out and a 1 on 1 battle occurs. It's just a boring game these days. |
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Posted By: bigfish
The game has changed. Larry Bird is not walking through the door. If he did, I would watch the NBA. He is the best all around player to play the game. |
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Posted By: Steve Dawson
To me anyway, it's the "thuggery", and also just the comparative lack of skills among the players. Back in the NBA's "heyday", Magic, MJ, Bird, Dr J, etc., could actually make a jump shot; heck, Magic could even shoot the hook! Now, it's just one long dunking contest, and no one can consistently shoot the jumper. Too many players are just trying to outdo each other, in an attempt to get on Sportscenter's Top 10 Highlights. Shooting percentages are in the toilet; I mean, what happened to teams scoring 100 points in a game? |
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Posted By: David Goff
I can't stand the NBA. I do however, love college basketball. Louisville, KY has tried a few times to get an NBA franchise and has come very close twice, with both times being denied due to no basketball arena. Now, the city is building a downtown arena in hopes to land a NBA team. I hope that day never comes... |
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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie
I don't know what happened, I just don't know but something happened. I was as avid a fan as there was back in the 70s through the 90s. MY team was the Sixers. Dr J was my favorite player. I suffered through the '77 collapse and 2 series defeats to the Lakers in the early 80s and then Moses came to town. He took the Sixers to the promise land in the most dominating post season I Have ever seen. I watched as much NBA as I could and when I wasn't watching I was in the back yard shooting hoops and practicing my behind the back board Dr J. Layout. Because of my love for the Sixers, I couldnt' stand Larry Bird or Magic Johnson when they were playing but I sure do miss them now! I continued to follow the NBA after the Doctor retired and became a Huge Jordan fan. I watched Jordan/Pippen dominate the game for close to a decade. I used to keep a box score of the Bulls each game that was televised and then Jordan retired and I there was no one left for to cheer for. I don't know what happened but once Jordan left (2nd time) there was no player left that demanded I pay attention that demanded I folllow them. I have tried to follow a team and was hoping that LeBron could bring me back but it hasn't happened yet. I watch about a half a quarter and then turn the channel. I have to tell you have not watched an entire NBA game in 10 to 15 years.. So I don't know what happended, but something did. Basketball is the greatest sport to play. YOu can go in your backyard and play an entire game all by yourself or you can play one on one. It's a GREAT GAME but the NBA as a league is missing something and I Don't what it is specifically but if I had to guess, I think its missing a player that demand I pay attention to them the way the Doctor and Jordan did.. I don't know, I wish I did know. marty |
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Posted By: Fred C
Wow Marty, that was well said... |
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O/T what happened to the NBA? Bad Marketing?
Posted By: john/z28jd
I cant imagine color having to do anything with it for someone who has started watching basketball in the last 20+ years. As long as I've watched there were always noticeably more black players but I think its more how the players act now as opposed to back then. When I started watching I never said Larry Bird has to be my favorite because were both white,I picked my favorite player based on who I liked watching the most which was Dominique Wilkins at first,Mitch Richmond and David Robinson for a time, then I started liking guys who played for my favorite college teams,Syracuse and Louisville,when I started watching more college ball. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
When I was a teenager my favorite player was Connie Hawkins...but watching Dr. J. in the ABA was one of the really great treats. I would often go to the Nassau Coliseum and see him play in person...even saw him play once when he was with the Virginia Squires. |
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Posted By: jdrum
Barry, |
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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie
Barry, I am super jealous. I saw Dr J play for the NETs in the ABA and when he moved to the NBA/Sixers, that's when I became a Sixer fan. I also loved Bobby Jones, Mo Cheeks and Chocolate Thunder aka Daryl Dawkins, Caldwell Jones, Andrew Toney and of course the player who changed the course of Sixer history, Moses Malone! I still remember an SI cover from the early 80s of Dr J Jamming the Jinx in Boston.. I think I had that cover taped to my wall. Marty |
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Posted By: leon
They should just start out playing the last 10 minutes of the game. Does the first 50 really matter anyway? I loved watching Jordon play...since he left I really haven't watched much. As for the thinking about they are just a bunch of over paid big babies....well, that is my take on most pro sports now...Give me amateur and minor leagues and I will show you guys trying their hardest and having fun.....and not getting 50m to do it (though money isn't my biggest beef with pro sports...it's the whiney ass babies...) |
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O/T what happened to the NBA? Bad Marketing?
Posted By: barrysloate
I once went to Hempstead High School to watch the Nets play the San Antonio Spurs (I think) in a pre-season game in a high school gym. Dr. J scored close to 50 points and Larry Kenon close to 30...it was fantastic, and I think I was the only white person in the whole gym. |
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Posted By: jdrum
Barry, |
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Posted By: S Gross
I agree with the statement that NBA has just become a one-on-one slam dunk contest. It started out as a extra "spark" here and there, then it became routine, and now boring as hell. |
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Posted By: James Feagin
One of our local journalists stated that one could go into a locker room after an NBA game and not be able to tell whether a given team won or lost. I live near Washington DC and the NBA is the topic of sports radio for maybe 5-10 minutes....per year. The regular season is meaningless, the playoffs are like chinese water torture and the finals a welcome relief....because the two week break between the end of the season and the beginning of next year is about to begin. As for the white populace/black player assertion. I have never seen such rabid NBA fans as bleach-white Utah. Those I've met from my church who've moved from Utah to the East Coast are a bit surprised that they seem to be the only ones who care about the Association. "You mean you don't have NBA draft parties here?" That is a direct quote. |
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Posted By: CN
I used to get a 10 game package for the Knicks from 1991 until 2003. I went to 1 game last year and I was with my kids. Right outside of MSG I felt intimidated and I have been a Law Enforcement Officer for 24 years. I go to about 10-15 Rangers Hockey games and the element is totally different. The NBA better clean up its act soon. I will not go to Knicks Games anymore. It is not a racial thing just the element that hangs around MSG during Knick games. CN |
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Posted By: rand
its ludacris the guaranteed money, to many years, to much money, no incentive. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
Duly note that the NBA was lower in popularity before Magic and Bird. The 1981 championship finals weren't televised live! CBS showed the games tape delay. |
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Posted By: pcelli60
Several things to mention here.. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Jeff, |
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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie
Jeff, I remember Fly Williams at Austin Peay (I grew up in Nashville). He had a teammate at Austin Peay named Percy Howard. Percy never played pro basketball but he did play in the NFL even though he didn't play football, only basketball, at Austin Peay. Percy Howard caught only 1 pass in the NFL, it just so happened to be a Touchdown pass in Super Bowl X no less.
marty |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Darnell Hillman was a really good player and extremely entertaining. The league today lacks a lot of those personalities. Basketball had a golden age when the game was really fun to watch, but today it just isn't. I don't have the attention span to even sit through a whole game. |
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Posted By: Jim VB
Jim C and Marty, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Didn't Fly have some kind of legal problem that sidetracked his career? |
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Posted By: Jim VB
I think he was shot in a robbery once. Is that classified as a "legal problem"? |
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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie
I think FLY was the victim in the robbery... not the perp. When the ABA/NBA merged, the Spirits were not included so that meant FLY had to find a job with another NBA team and he got no offers, I guess.. I do know he played in Europe for a while.
Here is a link to the Robbery/shooting incident but I still can't make out if FLY was the PERP or the VIC.. sounds like the PERP from this article.. I hate the way some reporters write.. or maybe I am just dummer 'n a box of hammers. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE5DE173EF932A15751C0A9619482 60> |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
that's merely a 3 game suspension............. |
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Posted By: Kenneth A. Cohen
I started watching the NBA Game of the Week in the late 50s / early 60s (idolized Cousy) but pretty much lost interest in the 90s. I suppose I'll be a minority of one on this, but I feel that the 3-point shot is an overall detriment to the game. Here's why. |
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O/T what happened to the NBA? Bad Marketing?
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
like your 'college training' quote. Think some of the training they miss is also more life training. That ultimately causes a lot of the off court problems of the game......... |
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