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05-13-2009, 08:06 AM
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I would say that the least of the hobby's worries are individuals that want to spend money on slabbed cards to build Registry sets thereby driving up prices on certain cards.
A guy who has created fake cards in the past and talks about putting them out into our community while speaking privately to a degenerate like Elkins? Probably not a major worry but certainly someone I wouldn't let near my collection. Or the poultry section of the supermarket.
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05-13-2009, 08:13 AM
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I respectfully disagree with your last statement. Not even close. I can think of a thousand things that are less worrisome. I don't know if Kevin was talking tongue in cheek in his email but it doesn't appear that way. This puts a nail in that coffin as far as any respect there was on my part....it's completely gone and probably always will be. How could anyone ever trust that person to look at a card and give an unbiased opinion given the statements made? And no, just like our dear Mr.Chan....I ain't buying the "it was just a joke".
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05-13-2009, 09:11 AM
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In my opinion, we should be worried about the numerous people who are altering cards for commercial purposes and the numerous people who are knowingly selling them (and thereby facilitating the card doctors) -- not Kevin, as to whom there is no suggestion that he has done that.
Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 05-13-2009 at 09:30 AM. Reason: parenthetical added
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05-13-2009, 09:47 AM
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I still think there is something worse about targeting individuals as a revenge kind of thing. I understand that card doctors that put bad cards out there for commercial purposes on a generic basis are an issue. But the idea that someone would do it in a targeted way really sets me all wrong on this.
I can't articulate why it is that targeting people for bad cards seems worse, but it does. And as to the pictures, I think it's hilarious. He's trying to imitate Wonka's great use of photos and photoshopping, but it's a pretty superficial imitation. J
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"a joke my a$$" great job jon, and for making it public, now the whole collecting world knows of kevin, "alert" the grading co.'s, that is a joke, unreal is a good word......leon please take down his link for his website....btw if it were a joke why not say so next sentence or email??????? answer we that riddler....i always felt someone that alters cards for the hell of it were a little shady.....now we know why.......imagine what we dont know?????? very very scary....again great job jon.....like always...
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05-13-2009, 10:05 AM
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Even I'm pictured on that other thread...hey, I've been called worse.
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05-13-2009, 10:09 AM
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As a wise friend of mine said, I'm sure the grading companies are kicking themselves now about not taking Kevin up on his offer to work with them.
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05-13-2009, 10:20 AM
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It's something like that...I think I'm guilty by association...you know, part of that mythical Net54 clique. That's okay, I'm in a good mood today, I can take it (and I've been called Sloth before, in the schoolyard).
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05-13-2009, 10:21 AM
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I guess we will agree to disagree on this one. I have precedence for the way I feel. I think, as Joann so eloquently stated, there is something different and much, much worse about doing something and targeting a group or person as opposed to a situation done
indiscriminately. A while back I was asked how I could be friendly with Mastro Auctions IF (and that is still an "if" so far) they shill bid on a lot I won. My answer was the same as it is now. If they did it and targeted me then I would not be friendly with them anymore. If they did it across the board then it's not so personal. It's still bad, and should be punished (again, if they did it) but not like it was done to me personally. All members of Net54 should have a big problem with what Kevin said, imo. Or you can just stick your head in the sand like an ostrich (another bird pun)....and make believe it never happened.
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05-13-2009, 10:31 AM
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Doug Allen came right on this forum and said that Mastro auctions "prepares" cards for grading which included removing creases.
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05-13-2009, 10:43 AM
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speaking of auction houses
Wouldn't it be interesting if they disclosed who their consignors were.
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05-13-2009, 10:48 AM
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05-13-2009, 11:02 AM
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 As a casual highend cardbuyer all this talk of altering, doctering etc,,, is rather disturbing. Im really glad I dont collect oddities, seems like to me this is the biggest area to fraud someone. After reading this the so called experts of detecting this type of behaviour may in fact be the ones to worry about. Very disturbing. 
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