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05-13-2009, 12:43 PM
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Hey John- allow me to rephrase:
I think what Kevin said in the email was dreadful, but unless I am forgetting something he seemed to be a straight shooter up until you posted that. Do I think he is being honest when he says he didn't mean what he said? Probably not, but I'm giving him a few points for past good behavior. I do understand you are angry, however; and you have been a great friend so I will support you, of course. 
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05-13-2009, 12:49 PM
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And I understand the point system..LOL 
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05-13-2009, 12:55 PM
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Dan ok fair points but here are the only two possible outcomes based on Kevin’s comments IMO.
A.) Kevin is braggart and blowhard who likes to tell stories (Incriminating) offline in private emails. Which means he isn’t 100% truthful with what he discusses which blows his creditability as a non-biased expert in the field of doctored cards. B.) The very clear nature of his statements are just that he’s bragging about genuine things that he has done to alter cards and place them in the hobby out of pure spite. This would make him a Patrick Chan type offender. Either one is not good (A.) makes him not trustworthy and (B.) makes him a criminal...even in the link above to the Nodgrass post from 2008 Kevin says… “I would really like the opportunity to examine one of these fake Nodgrass cards in person.” http://www.network54.com/Forum/15365...+Beloved+Hobby Would you send cards to a person who has typed what he typed regardless of point (A.) or (B.) stance? For years now anytime anyone ever asked him a question he has always come from a stance of how dare you question my integrity or motives. This from a guy who popped up out of nowhere as an expert 2 or so years ago?  His response to me in a previous thread. http://www.network54.com/Forum/15365...e+1933+Goudeys “I have no problem showing my various alterations that have been graded but as typical I find your arrogance and demeaning tone insulting to say the least. Here are just "a few" examples of some cards that were not just slightly altered or simply soaked....those can always get past. These were testing the limits in various ways. I can only imagine this will still not satisfy your relentless attempt to try and degrade and demoralize. I am quite sure that you will find some other way to continue your antagonistic questioning.” Well not only do I still question you Kevin but I’m glad I did! http://www.network54.com/Forum/15365...206+or+others- “John, think what you'd like but a transaction with me would all but guarantee the card would not be altered." I will respond to that comment from June 10th 2007 with a quote of yours…. “Our secret - I have never sold an altered card but for those few "true asses" on 54, I have made sure that each already has or will have an altered card in their collection (some more than one)....it will be their guess as to which one. I'll tell them exactly that some day. Again...I didn't make a penny (it actually cost me) but well worth it .” Kevin Saucier
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05-13-2009, 01:04 PM
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Sorry, I didn't mean angry with me, I meant angry at the email....there's too much fightin' going on. I'm just trying to take the high road. I'm tired of being at odds with so many different people.
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05-13-2009, 01:47 PM
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05-13-2009, 03:17 PM
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Ok, I have my own opinions. I don't always go along with the masses.
Yes, I do talk to Scott Elkins. Just because I talk to him doesn't mean I share his personal views. I know most of you on this board don't like him. As far as I know, Scott has not comitted any fraud. Scott does fly off the handle and writes very strong statments on his board. I have told him I disagree with this very strongly. I hate it. Just because Scott doesn't like Leon,that wont stop me from talking or dealing with Leon. Also, a lot of you believed in T206 Museum. I didn't. So if I went along with what everybody else does, I would not have figured out about Pat Chan and the Museum. Anyone who has ever delt with me knows I am honest and very easy to deal with. If you check every post I have ever made, they are positive. There are no personal attacks or jabs. Collectors need to unite their knowledge and rid the hobby of Chans. As long as your personal life doesn't involve cheating or fraud, it doesn't concern me. I know Leon and Scott have a bad past, but that doesn't include me. I am going to deal with Leon and Scott and anybody else that is honest. I also think a lot of board members have had good deals with Scott, including Leon, they just disagree with his personal life and the outragous board rants. I really don't think Kevin is a Chan but his statement was disturbing. I have never talked to Kevin but I think he has good intentions for the hobby-I'm not sure that goes for 54ers. 54 can be brutal. I have tried to stay away from contaversy, but when I figured out Chan and the Museum and talk to several people about it, that went out the window.I enjoy 54 and will continue to hang out here. You have to cross these paths in the hobby and on the chat boards. JR
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05-13-2009, 03:33 PM
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Jim
I have never had any issue with you whatsoever and our dealings have always been perfect. I hope that continues. I won't make this into an Elkins bashing post but just so everyone knows the main reason *I think he hates me is because of me putting banner ads on this board. He also thinks there were several situations that I tried to get people not to bid on cards so I could win them cheaper. Of course this is in no way true and each and every thing he ever mentioned I proved wrong. I have never done anything wrong to him at all. The other thing he hates me for is letting BCD post about an issue on the board, that they had with each other. After 3-4 days I locked the thread as enough was enough. For these things he has decided to hate me and go off the deep end with an enormous amount of vitriol towards me. It almost seems his whole life is consumed with bashing me and, I think, that is the reason he was kicked off of another chat board that he actually started. I just thought I might explain what I think are the issues he has with me. I much prefer to talk about, and collect, cards with my friends. take care now....
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05-13-2009, 01:09 PM
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Wonka, it was a tremendously stupid thing to say...especially in an email to Scott Elkins who I think has no integrity whatsoever. I believe your situation 'A' fits the bill here. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the statement at all....seems people are making a mountain out of a molehill though. Kevin is a small fish in a big pond and it seems to me his comment was obviously false, but I guess that doesn't seem to be the perception of most here.
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05-13-2009, 01:23 PM
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Dan
I don't think Kevin is a Patrick Chan type. I have not seen that behavour exhibited. I do think what he said in the email was no joke though, as there is no evidence that it was. When the email was exposed then, and ONLY THEN, it became a joke. Of course had it stayed private it would never have made the front page Net54 news. But again, when having an idiot scumbag for a friend what can you expect?
As for Jim Rivera and his association with idiot Elkins....it's not the same. I don't see where Jim has ever said he would like to defraud people on Net54, and already has. That is the difference. Do I think Kevin is the biggest issue in the hobby? Of course I don't. Do I think he is associating with a lunatic and it caught up to him this time? Yes, I do. This whole situation will pass but I will never ever think of Kevin in the same light again. I was sort of neutral most times until now.....pluck pluck.....
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