T206 American Beauty contest....can you confirm these ?

[ethicsprof]

i just checked mine,Ted, and have nothing to add.

all the best,

barry

[tedzan]

Sounds like you're up there in the Moosehead Lake area.....perhaps near Greenville.

I was in the Air Force at the SAC base in Bangor in the 1960's. Toured every square mile of Maine,
while up there.

And also, met my 1st wife in Maine.


TED Z

[tedzan]

I agree with you that Byrne, Mowery, and Rossman are unlikely to be found with ABF backs.
However, I find it very interesting that all 3 of these guys are in the 1910 COUPON set.

In fact, there are several more T206 Subjects that are in this set that have few T206 backs.

How do we explain this occurrence ? ?


TED Z

[Comiskey]

Hi Ted

I just took a look at my American beauty backs to no luck. Sorry I couldn't be of more help!

Jeff

[cfc1909]

Ted

not to hijack but I have 3 BroadLeaf 350s to add to your list

Dineen
Fletcher
Mitchell Cin.

These were confirmed by Art M.- Also there was a mention of different shades of Sovereign backs in Arts book but they were not narrowed down to 350/460 series

[rebelsart]

Hi Ted,
I have the following T206 with American beauty 350 subjects, with frame backs from your list:
Anderson, Providence
Schlafly, Newark

Also, the three recent confirmed Broad Leaf 350 cards were:
Mitchell, Cincinnati
Fletcher, New York Nat'l.
Fiene (throwing), Chicago Amer.

Not Dineen as previously posted.

Art M.

[Jacklitsch]

I can confirm a Schlafly American Beauty though I no longer own the card. Here is a page from my T206 collection of many years ago showing the Schlafly. P.S. The assigned grades were from my own personal grading system.

EDIT: Unfortunately I cannot confirm that is a frame back.

[tedzan]

The greater majority of T206 Subjects (186) in the 350 Series have been confirmed with the American Beauty 350-Frame back (ABF).
There are 28 subjects that have yet to be confirmed. There is a 99 % certainty that 17 of these 28 were not printed with the ABF
back due to trades, retirements, or Minor Lge. reassignment....when the ABF cards were being printed (circa Summer of 1910).





List of the 17 - T206's not expected to be found with ABF

G. Brown (Washington)
Byrne
Collins (Minneapolis)
Cross
Dahlen (portrait--Brooklyn)
Demmitt (New York)
Joe Doyle
Elberfeld (portrait--Washington)
Kleinow (catching--New York)
Lundgren (Kansas City)
Mowery
O'Hara (New York)
Puttman
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rossman
Shannon
F. Smith (Chicago--white cap)


List of T206's that are possibly found with ABF back....please respond if you have any of these ?

1.....
2.....Barger
3.....
4.....Doolan (fielding)
5.....Evans
6.....Fiene (throwing)
7.....Gray
8.....Groom
9.....Krause (pitching)
10....Marshall
11....Mattern
12....McLean
13....
14....Warhop


Thanks for your time and effort in tracking down any of these 11 - T206's with the ABF back. Or, try to prove the experts wrong,
by discovering any one of the above 17 "NO-PRINT" Subjects with an ABF back.

Thanks ART M and RAWN and STEVE M

Anderson, Carrigan and Schlafly has been confirmed with ABF backs. I was expecting several more would have been reported by
now. But, this is a good start. After all......
"Who knows what strange combinations lurk in the permutations of THE MONSTER....only THE MONSTER knows"....

There may be as many as 28 American Beauty 350 frame "NO-PRINTS" in this series.


T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

Your excerpt data from your T206 collection, when extrapolated, results in a very significant collection.

I'm curious, how many T206's did you have ?


Looking forward to seeing you in Cleveland in July.

TED Z

[sreader3]

Ted wrote:

I agree with you that Byrne, Mowery, and Rossman are unlikely to be found with ABF backs. However, I find it very interesting that all 3 of these guys are in the 1910 COUPON set. In fact, there are several more T206 Subjects that are in this set that have few T206 backs. How do we explain this occurrence ? ?

Ted,

Is it possible that COUPON was released in late 1909/early 1910, near the time when the early 350-only backs (e.g. Pied/SC/Sov 350) were released?

Scot

[tedzan]

I am getting around to the same conclusion as you have suggested...."1910" COUPON may have been a late 1909 issue.
The dates that keep popping up on some of the Subjects in this set are Aug 1909 and Sept 1909. The following events
are coincident with this period in 1909......

8/09....Byrne traded from St L (NL) to Pitt.

8/09....Charles traded from St L (NL) to Cinci.

8/09....Mowery traded from Cinci. to St L (NL)

8/09....Rhoades' career ends

9/09....Rossman's career ends

The 20 Southern Leaguers in the set are all from the 150 Series.

I'm sure I can come up with more facts that will tend to support the theory that this set was really issued in the latter part
of 1909.


TED Z

[cfc1909]

you had a collection of 2000 t206s in grade 4,5,6 & 7? What year was this? can you please give some details?
I would love to hear about this collection.