Are the autograph auth. folks absolute idiots?

[bijoem]

aren't all autographs forgeries anyway?

who cares if there is a sticker on an a card that is MK already.

[Potomac Yank]

Some of you would have loved the autographed T206's within the case of a place called Fantasia back in 1990.

The owner of the store ... Dr Koos.

[Rich Klein]

With the initials D.D. Ah yes; great New Yawk area memories

I don't have them anymore -- but if you have SCD's from the 80's -- make sure to read their old ads.

Rich

[T206Collector]

...at Fantasia and Dragon's Den when I was a teenager in the late 1980s. One of the guy's who worked at/ran Dragon's Den, Mark Rubin, has been owner/proprietor of American Legends across the street on Central Ave. for over a decade now. (He used to call it One If By Cards, Two If By Comics, which I thought was a much more fun name). You can check his shop out here:

http://www.amerlegends.com/

I certainly agree that autographed T206 cards merit serious scrutiny for obvious reasons. And, wherever possible, I try to have provenance with my collection. The Doyle I showed above was from Jeff Morey himself and I even interviewed him about the autographed cards he sent me, so that I would have as much comfort as possible in my collection of signed T206 cards. (shameless plug - Y'all can hear my interview with him and Lionel Carter on my website.) But it does seem that every time a discussion of signed pre-war cards comes up on this board, so does the name of "Dr. Koos." I find that kind of sad, but not totally unexpected. Frankly, it's the Dr. Kooses of the world that empowered the PSA/DNA and JSA folks.

[Potomac Yank]

"But it does seem that every time a discussion of signed pre-war cards comes up on this board, so does the name of "Dr. Koos." I find that kind of sad, but not totally unexpected. Frankly, it's the Dr. Kooses of the world that empowered the PSA/DNA and JSA folks."

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Aw come on T206Collector, let's not leave out SGC.
They were the one that gave the OK to the Rosen/KO/SGC fiasco in 2001. and that wasn't even a Koos job.
It was the job of an embarrassing amateur.

[cardaholic]

A modern mass-produced 8x10 photo is worth pennies except for the autograph. A sticker on the back isn't a problem IMO, and I'm not very bothered by a discreet and unobtrusive one on the front.

A sticker in the white border area of a signed litho (such as the Paluso litho series) doesn't detract from the item either IMO, as long as it doesn't detract from the image or the signature.

As for signed cards, photo cards, postcards, etc., a sticker on the back of a blank-back item, especially a modern item, doesn't diminish the item to me. Covering up pictures or text, OTOH, is absolutely unacceptable to me.

[JamesGallo]

Wait a sec, is anyone familair with the Beckett Raw card review service, they basically sell the card in a card saver with a sticker. It isn't 100% fool proof but is pretty damn good and the sticker can't be removed. I see no reason why PSA/JSA and anyone else couldn't put a card or photo in a sleeve and seal it like this. The additional costs would be very small and the buyer could even provide the sleeve. This would seem to solve all the problems.

That being said I had a Mantle comic the was signed and authenticed by PSA, I was very clear that I did not want the damn sticker anywhere on the comic. It was included loose when returned. I would say that on balls is it ok, but even then I would prefer it not to be directly on ANY object as it seems to me there is an easy alternative.

James G

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by bijoem

aren't all autographs forgeries anyway?

no, all autographs are real, I mean somebody had to sign them.