Mastro consignors not paid yet?

calvindog · #1 06-30-2009, 08:44 AM

Leon, first, if you're 'far from a Mastro apologist' I'd like to see someone who's a real Mastro apologist. Second, I wasn't aware that the complete ruination of someone's financial future is the requirement that needs to be hit before any scorn can be heaped on thieves. Perhaps if you were a victim of Mastro you'd feel differently, right? Plus it's not like you're privy to the information as to who was ripped off and how much, right?

Finally, no one -- including Paul -- suggested that Mastro et al. were as bad as Madoff. Paul simply noted that the theory of robbing Peter to pay Paul was apparently in play in both scenarios.

And finally: why do you come down harder on a BST guy who didn't make good on a $20 deal than Mastro? In both sets of circumstances you've heard of allegations of fraud second-hand. I would think that you'd react quite differently considering that a) you're more likely a victim of Mastro; and b) one person/entity has caused major damage to your beloved hobby.

Leon · #2 06-30-2009, 09:16 AM

Ok I am an apologist. (just for you). Who said anyone has to be completely ruined to get scorned? You are starting a tale that should be addressed as "Once upon a time". You really do have a great embellishment about your prose. Heck, I might be a victim of Mastro, I dunno....I don't need to continually repeat what I told O'keefe last year, you can google it. I am only privy to the few emails I got from a post on this board as to who is owed money. So, no I am not privy to the billions you are insinuating that Mastro Auctions ripped people off for. Maybe that is in the 2nd chapter of your fairy tale?

No doubt there is a similarity whenever someone gets defrauded in some way. We can all use our imaginations almost as much you do.

As for me coming down harder on a $20 deal on the BST than Mastro? That must be the 3rd chapter of your fairly tale. I know a good publisher....just keep talking.....

calvindog · #3 06-30-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

So, no I am not privy to the billions you are insinuating that Mastro Auctions ripped people off for. Maybe that is in the 2nd chapter of your fairy tale?

As for me coming down hard on a $20 deal on the BST than Mastro? That must be the 3rd chapter of your fairly tale. I know a good publisher....just keep talking.....

Leon, where did I suggest that Mastro was responsible for billions in fraud? Of course I never said or suggested such a thing. As for the rest of your post(s) all I can say is that I think you doth protest too much. And I really cannot figure out why but with all respect it does look suspicious. And take this from a friend who has supported you through thick and thin on this board -- it looks suspicious.

Leon · #4 06-30-2009, 09:40 AM

I can't really help the way you feel. You are very consistent in your rhetoric though. I think we might have to go "Tacky" on ya'

. Have a good one...I hope you fare better in court.

calvindog · #5 06-30-2009, 09:44 AM

Leon, you might be the only one who hasn't noticed that I fared pretty well on this issue in this thread.

bijoem · #6 06-30-2009, 10:15 AM

I would like to understand how Leon attributed the 'billions' number to anything Jeff said? (unless it was edited out / and I didn't see it).

I don't see anything that would suggest anyone was talking about billions.

And....
I've been around people (in my own industry) who have owed a whole bunch of money, and decided to try to escape the debts and other trouble by shutting down one company and opening up in a new name.

I find that type of action deplorable.
And I always wondered how anyone could do business with that 'new' entity.

I hope that is not the case here, and I hope the right thing is done by all who are owed money.

Wite3 · #7 06-30-2009, 10:31 AM

Try this at the National...

If you want any dealer (Leon included...be careful if Scott sharing his table

) to understand the feeling that the consignors are feeling currently...just walk up to their table with a friend, ask to see a card, take card and hand to friend, have friend walk away, tell dealer that you will pay him for the card when your friend finally pays you and you do not know when that will be.

I promise you that the dealer will feel robbed, scream, call security, or just beat your ass...the people who dismiss this are just not living in the real world. Mastro/Legendary are nothing more than thieves.

Joshua

barrysloate · #8 06-30-2009, 10:31 AM

Now if you want to talk economic stability, think Peter Luger's...been serving great steaks at the same location since 1887!

Leon · #9 06-30-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bijoem

I would like to understand how Leon attributed the 'billions' number to anything Jeff said? (unless it was edited out / and I didn't see it).

I don't see anything that would suggest anyone was talking about billions.

And....
I've been around people (in my own industry) who have owed a whole bunch of money, and decided to try to escape the debts and other trouble by shutting down one company and opening up in a new name.

I find that type of action deplorable.
And I always wondered how anyone could do business with that 'new' entity.

I hope that is not the case here, and I hope the right thing is done by all who are owed money.

I was trying to embellish as much as Jeff did but couldn't quite get to that level. Everyone should get every nickel they are owed. It would be idiocy to think otherwise. *I never defended Mastro, as Jeff stated, I only said they didn't rise to the Madoff level. You and/or Jeff can continue arguing. I am done.

T206Collector · #10 06-30-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Paul simply noted that the theory of robbing Peter to pay Paul was apparently in play in both scenarios.

Exactly. I was reading the entirety of this thread this morning and it seems to me -- a disinterested 3rd party -- that people are alleging a pyramid scheme of sorts. All seemed well and good when the money was coming in from the auctions. But when the money stopped coming in and the consignors wanted to get paid, well that's when the trouble started. It is eerily similar, based on the facts reported in this thread, was my only point.

Leon · #11 06-30-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector

Exactly. I was reading the entirety of this thread this morning and it seems to me -- a disinterested 3rd party -- that people are alleging a pyramid scheme of sorts. All seemed well and good when the money was coming in from the auctions. But when the money stopped coming in and the consignors wanted to get paid, well that's when the trouble started. It is eerily similar, based on the facts reported in this thread, was my only point.

In this respect I am in full agreement.