This is why I use SGC only

[Ladder7]

I like BVG, but they need to stop kidding us. This BCCG thing is a shallow, money-maker that shoulda been flushed -along with the shmuck that implemented it.

To make 'em resemble the 'legit' BGS holder now, cruds up the entire brand. IMO

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Ladder7

I like BVG, but they need to stop kidding us. This BCCG thing is a shallow, money-maker that shoulda been flushed -along with the shmuck that implemented it.

To make 'em resemble the 'legit' BGS holder now, cruds up the entire brand. IMO

I agree, Steve, and the fact the topic pretty much has flown under the radar with minimal outcry on this board is kind surprising. Then again, maybe not.

Can you imagine the reaction/indignation here if PSA had taken this route in an effort to generate income?

I stopped using, or recommending, any of the Beckett grading lines at the time they came up with the BCCG deal. PSA or SGC can handle anything I might have sent to BGS.

[jbbama]

BCCG is a joke.................i have no issues with BGS or BVG however.

The problem is BCCG is BCG or BVG. Why have a card slabbed by a do it your selfer type company and then slap your professional name right on the front. Its like having a sh!tty Sub Contractor on the job and saying he is as good as you. This is what gets me. I have seen some of the BCCG cards w/ grade 3's and 4's so this was the question as to why it fell as a 5. Poor or better is just wording. We all know when we look at a graded card other then the name of the player and type we look directly at the grade and wether the card is worth it. Now if some unsuspecting schmuck says here is a deal because a graded 5 card is selling for about $400 and gets this for $99 and finds out later the card is worth about $50 that is what will leave them pissed and scared. I am increasingly disappointed in the industry as time progresses and I find more crap.

Any where ther is money there is a theif waiting to take it from you!

[smtjoy]

They really should stop doing this, it's very misleading and shady in my eye.

[Kehfee]

I agree. I don't see the point in BCCG. That said, I have purchased 4 BVG graded T205's and all crossed over to SGC.

[Tcards-Please]

Although I agree that the numerical value is a little misleading, they do have the written determination below that. How is this different from any other advertising from major companies. When you go buy a car that advertises 0%financing, do you read the fine print below that or do you just go in there thinking everyone is entitled to 0%?

This is a cheap alternative for the beginners, along the same lines as PRO & GEM. If they can read the 5, then they can read the description below that.

Hopefully SGC and PSA will not follow suit.

Just my 2 pesos.

r/
Frank

[drdduet]

I disagree with it being along the lines of Pro and Gem...

BCCG is all it advertises to be, a less sophisticated grading service. It has its own scale and is not misleading to those who care to know what they are getting. It is a watered down service from BVG. It's a way to slab cards in a more general fashion. Nevertheless they are accurate within their own descriptors, whereas PRO and GEM are not.

I would like to see them, however, stick with the modern stuff with this service, and not allow prewar cards to be graded in this manner.

[Tcards-Please]

drdduet

I wasn't comparing grading styles between BCCG and PRO/GEM, I was stating that it was a cheap alternative to grading like the services of PRO & GEM.

r/
Frank

[Leon]

Originally Posted by drdduet

I disagree with it being along the lines of Pro and Gem...

BCCG is all it advertises to be, a less sophisticated grading service. It has its own scale and is not misleading to those who care to know what they are getting. It is a watered down service from BVG. It's a way to slab cards in a more general fashion. Nevertheless they are accurate within their own descriptors, whereas PRO and GEM are not.

I would like to see them, however, stick with the modern stuff with this service, and not allow prewar cards to be graded in this manner.

Well, I just now shot Mark (their director of grading and board member) an email to have lunch today as they have one of my cards back from JSA and have graded (or not) the card. I do, however, agree with Dr.Duet and his view above.....
Personally, I do think it causes some confusion though and that is not great for the BVG group, who does a nice job. Kind of like saying all chatboards suck.....when they don't.

[mikedenero]

Originally Posted by T's please

This is a cheap alternative for the beginners, along the same lines as PRO & GEM. If they can read the 5, then they can read the description below that.

r/
Frank

I think that the cheap alternative is a benign enough idea; however, the 5-10 scale is both dishonest and damaging to the hobby, as if it is confusing to us, imagine how confusing it is to beginners. I think we can all agree that we don't want beginners to be confused; rather, we want them to understand the basics of grading with little effort. Thus, the lower the barriers to entry, the better it is for all of us! One last thought. While I agree that if collectors can read the "5," they can generally also read the "poor or better" underneath the numerical grade (reading glasses needs aside). However, if Beckett lists a condition description (e.g., "poor or better"), why do they need a numerical grade at all? Why can't they simply write "poor or better?"

On a side note; I just received a call two days ago from a collector who got his first computer last week. He has been a collector of primarily ungraded material for 40+ years. He asked my opinion of the grading companies (my advice was to buy cards in three holders: SGC (IMO the best); with BVG/BGS (IMO second); and PSA (IMO third) -- but without a huge gap between first and third place). The next day he called me back to ask about BCCG, due to his understandable frustration and confusion. Needless to say, his opinion of Beckett is now neutral, at best.