"Legendary" Paper Restoration in their Live Auction!

[nyyanksghr]

Tom-Great question. Yes, I could have purchased the program in Lelands and found a restorer on my own, for much less, I imagine. The reason for my elevated bid in the Legendary auction was two fold: 1. Since the last offering in lelands, I was outbid in a private offering on an 03 program. The price was 90,000. 2. Through research since the Lelands offering, I have become convinced that this is the ONLY documented Game 1 03 WS program. My feelings towards value greatly changed. Congratulations to Doug Allen for putting together a fantastic Live auction. The prices were strong, which should make all collectors breathe a little easier.

[calvindog]

John, so you purchased two very expensive restored items in one auction? You must have a lot of faith! Did you get a chance to see the 'before' pictures of the Wagner?

[nyyanksghr]

"John, so you purchased two very expensive restored items in one auction? You must have a lot of faith! Did you get a chance to see the 'before' pictures of the Wagner"


Yep. I have seen the before photos...amazing, amazing job on the restoration. With PSA 1's bringing 350-500+, I was pleased to get this restored example. The general public who hasn't had the opportunity to see a real Wagner doesnt care that its restored, they just are thrilled to see a Wagner. I had to turn down too many requests from local groups to display the PSA 5 b/c of the risk involved. As stated, this one is more fun and I'll be able to accomodate the numerous ballparks, kids groups, etc. who wanted to display it for a day or evening. We had the other Wagner on display one night for our local Police Athletic League. Shoulda seen the smiles on those kids faces!

[tothrk]

There's a Plank floating around with no borders. Slap some borders on it and proceed with an auction. These items are out of my league and anyone can spend their own money how they see fit. I'm not faulting anyone for spending their $$$ on whatever they choose. In my opinion, a tiny bit of restoration leads to a moderate bit of restoration leads to major restoration leads to Channing a card in your basement. Might be a drastic summary but why return a card with "evidence of trimming" and then slab one with borders attached? Just slab it PSA "Restored" and the hobby can slowly progress to a giant gray area where everything is half original. O.K. I'm done. Sorry if I went overboard.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by tothrk

There's a Plank floating around with no borders. Slap some borders on it and proceed with an auction. These items are out of my league and anyone can spend their own money how they see fit. I'm not faulting anyone for spending their $$$ on whatever they choose. In my opinion, a tiny bit of restoration leads to a moderate bit of restoration leads to major restoration leads to Channing a card in your basement. Might be a drastic summary but why return a card with "evidence of trimming" and then slab one with borders attached? Just slab it PSA "Restored" and the hobby can slowly progress to a giant gray area where everything is half original. O.K. I'm done. Sorry if I went overboard.

I totally agree.

T206 "No Borders" Plank: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=270385921331

[slantycouch]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

I totally agree.

T206 "No Borders" Plank: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=270385921331

Man that's painful to look at.

[slantycouch]

Originally Posted by nyyanksghr

As stated, this one is more fun and I'll be able to accomodate the numerous ballparks, kids groups, etc. who wanted to display it for a day or evening. We had the other Wagner on display one night for our local Police Athletic League. Shoulda seen the smiles on those kids faces!

That's really awesome. Great use of an amazing piece. I'm sure kids and adults alike are thrilled to see/hold one.

[mikedenero]

Originally Posted by nyyanksghr

With PSA 1's bringing 350-500+, I was pleased to get this restored example. The general public who hasn't had the opportunity to see a real Wagner doesnt care that its restored, they just are thrilled to see a Wagner. I had to turn down too many requests from local groups to display the PSA 5 b/c of the risk involved. As stated, this one is more fun and I'll be able to accomodate the numerous ballparks, kids groups, etc. who wanted to display it for a day or evening. We had the other Wagner on display one night for our local Police Athletic League. Shoulda seen the smiles on those kids faces!

This might be my favorite post that I have ever read on this board. John, congrats on winning both auctions! The program: AWESOME! The Wagner: Ditto. If I were still a collector (as a dealer, I can no longer consider myself a collector), given the choice, I would much rather own this restored example than a graded example lower than a 3. As I have tried to state many times, for me, this is a visual hobby; thus, purchasing a restored example of such a rarity makes perfect sense to me. Also, I think it's great that you intend to share this piece with the world, a truly noble pursuit which can only benefit our hobby (and, therefore, each of us) in the long run. Once again, congrats!

One final thought on restoration: might it be better to have restored cards authenticated, encapsulated, and labelled accordingly by PSA, SGC, etc., than to have them floating around raw??

[dstudeba]

Originally Posted by nyyanksghr

As stated, this one is more fun and I'll be able to accomodate the numerous ballparks, kids groups, etc. who wanted to display it for a day or evening. We had the other Wagner on display one night for our local Police Athletic League. Shoulda seen the smiles on those kids faces!

Very, very cool.