Moonlight Graham pc on ebay

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

And although, not a major leaguer; I was shown a minor league card of James Jones from 1952 at the National. (I believe it was from John Rumeriez) And yes; that is the same James Jones better known as the Reverand Jim Jones who became famous thanks to some kool aid. 25-30 years ago, that card would have far more interesting than it is today as the Jonestown experience is now part of the 70's which is nearly 4-5 decades away from our collective memories.


Rich

Rich, what set is that Jones card from? I'd like to see that card.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

I perfectly understand collecting baseball-related items of players who made their marks in other fields, and there certainly is an eclectic list of people who fit that category. I never knew that Jim Jones was a player. It would be interesting to see a scan of that card.

[tedzan]

I think recent research has debunked the infamous Jim Jones as being a ballplayer.

The Jim Jones you are referring to, is another person.

[tedzan]

Great seeing you at the National.

Chuck Connors is one of my favorites, that had very short careers in the Major Leagues, NBA, and the NFL.
Yet his sportscards command a fairly high price.

Is this due to his Movies/TV career or simply the law of supply vs demand ?

I think it is a combination of all the above factors.


TED Z

[oaks1912]

Rich,.....It's ironic how timely this post is. On my recent cross country trip, I visited with Bill McAvoy in Omaha, who shared the same story with me about Jim Jones, the player featured in the 1952/53 Globe Printing Sioux City Soos set. I had never heard that story and it intrigued me for the daylong drive from Omaha to Chicago. While in Chicago, I visited with a longtime minor league researcher, who brought up the file on Jim Jones. They are absolutely, positively, two different people. If someone overcharged you for that card based on it being the People's Temple Jones, and you need me to put it into print, I'll happily oblige... And , it was very nice visiting with you in Cleveland...

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Ted,

I think the added value of Connors material is strictly due to his starring role in The Rifleman. Johnny Berardino never had his own starring vehicle, and his memorabilia prices are no greater than the average player's.

As to multi-sport players--Outside of HOFers (from any sport), very few seem to care. While guys like Cal Hubbard, George Halas and Greasy Neale carry obvious premiums, nobody cares much about Skip Roberge, Gene Conley or Howie Schultz.

To add to one of my previous thoughts, I think it's a safe bet that the price of Connors items will also dip with the passage of time. Once the target market is gone, so are the sales. We can only hope that this sentiment won't be indicative of the fate of pre-war baseball collecting as a whole.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by oaks1912

Rich,.....It's ironic how timely this post is. On my recent cross country trip, I visited with Bill McAvoy in Omaha, who shared the same story with me about Jim Jones, the player featured in the 1952/53 Globe Printing Sioux City Soos set. I had never heard that story and it intrigued me for the daylong drive from Omaha to Chicago. While in Chicago, I visited with a longtime minor league researcher, who brought up the file on Jim Jones. They are absolutely, positively, two different people. If someone overcharged you for that card based on it being the People's Temple Jones, and you need me to put it into print, I'll happily oblige... And , it was very nice visiting with you in Cleveland...

and no I did not buy that card; I was just fascinated by the story -- I'll talk to John at next year's National and we'll ferret out where he got the story about the Jim Jones being the same. So, no loss to my pocketbook AND we solved a hobby mystery (even if it is a "modern-day" one). Now that's what I consider a good day.

Rich

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by oaks1912

Rich,.....It's ironic how timely this post is. On my recent cross country trip, I visited with Bill McAvoy in Omaha, who shared the same story with me about Jim Jones, the player featured in the 1952/53 Globe Printing Sioux City Soos set. I had never heard that story and it intrigued me for the daylong drive from Omaha to Chicago. While in Chicago, I visited with a longtime minor league researcher, who brought up the file on Jim Jones. They are absolutely, positively, two different people. If someone overcharged you for that card based on it being the People's Temple Jones, and you need me to put it into print, I'll happily oblige... And , it was very nice visiting with you in Cleveland...

Makes you realize how much easier information is to find nowadays then it used to be. I imagine it was much easier to pass on inaccurate information like this before the advent of the internet, google and research forums.

I mentioned Jackie Wilson before. There were two fairly well known professional boxers named Jackie Wilson (one was an Olympic medalist and the other was a lesser known World Champion) who fought in the 1940's. One from Pittsburgh and one from California. A cursory look at their records would indicate it would be impossible for either to be the R&B singer Jackie Wilson as the times don't really match up. The singer Jackie was only 15 around the time both these guys retired.

Yet, people who don't know any better get excited they finally found the Young Jackie Wilson boxing image they were always looking for when they stumble across an image of the two I mentioned earlier.

[bmarlowe1]

At this point my comment seems a bit O/T, but....

The Graham image for the Sporting Life composite and "Graham" in the team pc appear to match extremely well in all aspects. Further, it is easy to match Zeimer and McDougal, just to the rt. of Graham in the pc, to their respective images in the composite. This tells us that the guy's height appears close to Graham's.

Others matches are easy to find. So the pc is Scranton c1907.

So, if there was any remaining question. I would say that this is a well confirmed ID of Graham.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Rich, what set is that Jones card from? I'd like to see that card.

It was a globe minor league card from 1951-52. I don't remember what team unfortunately.

[slidekellyslide]

Rich, I think someone was pulling your leg. by 1951 Jim Jones had already joined the Communist Party and by 1952 had started his own church. I'm guessing it was a different James Jones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

edited to add Ted beat me to it.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Rich, what set is that Jones card from? I'd like to see that card.

I wouldn't mind seeing that either. I don't think that event is as far from our conscious as we might think.

Even today in political talk when somebody tells you "don't drink the Kool-Aid", it's a direct reference to Jonestown.

I would think a card like that might draw quite a premium if it was marketed as such.