T206 OLD MILL survey......UPDATED

[tedzan]

I have received several requests to reprise the OLD MILL thread from a year ago. Some had difficulty
with the SEARCH function to recover this survey, others did not know of its existence....so, here it is
with some new OLD MILL inputs added to the list.





UPDATED......8/25/09......confirmed OLD MILL subjects = 299


Abbaticchio (brown sleeves)
Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Abbott
Alperman
Ames (portrait)
Ames (hands above head)
Anderson
Atz
Baker
Ball (Cleveland)
Batch
Bates
Beck
Bell (pitching)
Bender (portrait)
Bender (no trees)
Bender (trees)
Bergen (bat)
Bergen (catching)
Berger
Bescher (arms in air)
Birmingham
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (portrait)
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Bransfield
Bresnahan (portrait)
Bridwell (no cap)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (portrait)
M. Brown (Chicago)
G. Brown (Washington)
Burch (fielding)
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arm at side)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Campbell
Casey
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (portrait-pink)
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chase (trophy)
Chesbro
F. Clarke (portrait)
F. Clarke (bat)
Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (portrait-green)
Cobb (portrait-red)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Conroy (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Covaleski
Crandall (no cap)
Cravath
Crawford (throwing)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criss
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Davis
Harry Davis (A's)
George Davis (Chicago)
Delehanty (Washington)
Devlin
Dineen
Donlin (seated)
Donlin (bat)
Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Doolin
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle (hands over head)
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Duffy
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Washington-portrait)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (portrait)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ferris
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Flick
Ford
Frill
Freeman
Fromme
Gandil
Gasper
Geyer
Gibson
Gilbert
Goode
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (portrait)
Griffith (bat)
Hahn
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hemphill
Herzog (New York)
Herzog (Boston)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howell (hand at waist)
Hulswitt
Hummel
Isbell
Jacklitsch
Jackson
Jennings (portrait)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (portrait)
Johnson (pitching)
Jones (Detroit)
F. Jones (hips)
F. Jones (portrait)
Jordan (portrait)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (portrait)
Joss (pitching)
Keeler (portrait)
Keeler (bat)
Kelley
Killian (pitching)
Kisinger
Kleinow (New York-catching)
Kleinow (Boston-catching)
Kleinow (New York-bat)
Kling
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lajoie (portrait)
Lajoie (throwing)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-ball)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Latham
Lavender
Leach (portrait)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Livingstone
Lobert
Lumley
Magee (bat)
Manning (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (hands/side)
Marquard (throwing)
Mathewson (portrait)
Mathewson (white cap)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McCormick
McGlynn
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (pointing)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
McQuillan (ball in hand)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Murphy (throwing)
Murray (portrait)
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Needham
Nichols (bat)
Nicholls (fielding)
Oakes
Oberlin
Oldring (bat)
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (portrait)
Overall (yellow sky)
Overall (blue sky)
Owen
Parent
Pastorius
Payne
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeffer
Pfeister (seated)
Pfeister (throwing)
Powell (horizontal)
Purtell
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rucker portrait)
Rucker (throwing)
Rudolph
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (bat)
Schlei (portrait)
Schmidt (throwing)
Schulte (back view)
Scott
Seymour (portrait)
Seymour (throwing)
Sheckard (no glove)
F. Smith (Chicago)
Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Smith (Brooklyn)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (catching)
Spade
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stone
Stovall (portrait)
Stovall (bat)
Street (catching)
Sullivan
Sweeney (Boston)
Sweeney (New York)
L. Tannehill (Chicago)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Tannehill (follow thru)
Taylor
Tenney
Thomas
Tinker (portrait)
Tinker (hands/knees)
Tinker (bat on)
Tinker (bat off)
Titus
Turner
Unglaub
Waddell (throwing)
Waddell (portrait)
Wagner (left shoulder)
Wagner (right shoulder)
Wallace
Walsh
Warhop
Weimer
Wheat
White (Chicago-portrait)
White (Chicago-pitching)
White (Buffalo)
Wilhelm (hands/chest)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Williams
Willis (Pittsburg)
Willis (throwing)
Willis (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Wiltse (portrait-cap)
Wiltse (no cap)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (portrait)
CYoung (bare hand)
CYoung (glove)
Irv Young
Zimmerman

Adding the 48 Southern Leaguers to this list of OLD MILL's, yields a grand total = 347

Hey guys & gals, check-out your T206's. Let's see if there are any more OLD MILL's that we have not
accounted for here ?


TED Z

[cfc1909]

I have been collecting the Baltimore T206 set for about 12 years. The Baltimore team has nine players pictured in the t206 set. The only two Baltimore players I know of with Old Mill are Dunn and Jackson and I have seen many Ol Mill examples of each Dunn and Jackson. Cassidy may exist but I have never seen one. Cassidy may be confused with Casey. Not too long ago I saw a Carolina Brights Jackson that I thought did not exist-so it is possible for Cassidy Old Mill but I would need to see it.

I think the minor league players in the t206 set were cut short. I think Old Mill continued to print the major league players but put a stop on the minor leaguers to make way for the T210 set which is all minor league players. I think the minor league players were introduced in the t206 set in early to mid 1910 and I am pretty sure the t210 set was introduced about this same time and this put a stop to the t206 Old Mill minor league run.

Lets see how many minor league t206 Old Mills that can be confirmed.

Sold a Ross Helm SL OM backed T206 on Ebay a bit back. Here is a pic since it was not on the list.

[cfc1909]

Ted didn't list out the southern league players, he just said add the 48 southern players to the total-since all 48 come with the Old Mill south back-but still thanks for your input. Every little bit helps..

one more thing-very nice t205 pick ups-I love the M. Brown and the Johnson-killer cards.

[jimonym]

Jim,

I've been following and tracking Old Mills for a while, sometimes more actively than others. I've seen relatively few minor leaguers. Here are my numbers.

Eastern League = 47 total cards / 18 confirmed with Old Mill / 38%
American Association = 39 total cards / 14 confirmed with Old Mill / 36%

350-only Series National League = 61 total cards / 22 confirmed with Old Mill / 36%
350-only Series American League = 63 total cards / 31 confirmed with Old Mill / 49%

It wasn't just the minor leaguers who were short-printed with Old Mill.

BTW, I've only seen the two Baltimore players you mentioned.

Jamie

[tedzan]

I removed Cassidy from the confirmed list. Now, let's see if Cassidy shows up again. Perhaps,
your explanation of Cassidy being confused with Casey led to this incorrect input.

Your theory is very plausible regarding the lack of regular Minor Leaguer's (ML) with OLD MILL
backs.
To date only 33....of the 86 ML subjects....have been confirmed. And, the greater majority of
them are from the Eastern League (old International Lge.).

Furthermore, you will find it very interesting to know that 95% of the 350/460 Series and the
460-only Series T206's (total of 109 cards), printed in 1911 (which was after the T210 issue),
are found with OLD MILL backs.
I would think this fact certainly provides added support for your theory.


TED Z