Possible newly discovered T205 variation

[Tcards-Please]

Based on a request to SGC on why the Cycle Mathewson wasn't listed on the Master Registry Set, this was their reply:

Hi Frank,

"We have not added it to the Master Set because all Cycle back Mathewsons come this way so it is more of an uncorrected error rather than a variation, but I will revisit that decision a little more in depth and get back to you if anything changes."

Thank you,

Brian

So based on that response from SGC, if all PB Whites are that way, then it would fall into that same category of the Mathewson (though not necessarily an uncorrected error).

My way of thinking is if it is different than the majority of cards, then it should be classified as a variation and listed accordingly in the registry.

Just my 2 cents.

r/
Frank

[Matt]

Frank - Aside from it being incorrect (how could it be an uncorrected error if it was corrected on other backs?) that's an inconsistent response from them as it's no different then Wilhelm suffered. My guess is that they haven't indicated it yet since it has yet to be included in SCD, but it will be shortly and then I'm sure the grading companies will follow.

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by Matt

Frank - Aside from it being incorrect (how could it be an uncorrected error if it was corrected on other backs?) that's an inconsistent response from them as it's no different then Wilhelm suffered. My guess is that they haven't indicated it yet since it has yet to be included in SCD, but it will be shortly and then I'm sure the grading companies will follow.

Matt,
I agree with you completely that it is no different than the Wilhelm and do hope that it is included in SGC's Master Registry in the future. Not sure why SCD has to mention this before the grading companies acknowledge it. They know it exists, so why not include?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by T's please

Matt,
I agree with you completely that it is no different than the Wilhelm and do hope that it is included in SGC's Master Registry in the future. Not sure why SCD has to mention this before the grading companies acknowledge it. They know it exists, so why not include?

Historically, SGC has been very reluctant to include variations unless they are widely acknowledged. I believe they still don't indicate the "Over 300 Subjects" back variation on M116 cards although I'm hoping that changes as well when SCD includes the information.

One more thought for the naysayers here:
Had the error been caught in the middle of the PB press run, or in the middle of a later run (say Hassan backs) you all would agree it counts as a variation, but because the error was caught after the PBs were printed and before the other backs were printed it doesn't count?

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by T's please

My way of thinking is if it is different than the majority of cards, then it should be classified as a variation and listed accordingly in the registry.

The Doc (no quotes) White is different than the majority of cards. The difference is that it has a Polar Bear back. A master set of all front/back brand combinations already has this card.

Same thing with the Mathewson. Not a variation either.

And how is SCD going to list this differently? They already acknowledge the White comes with a Polar Bear back.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

The Doc (no quotes) White is different than the majority of cards. The difference is that it has a Polar Bear back. A master set of all front/back brand combinations already has this card.

Same thing with the Mathewson. Not a variation either.

And how is SCD going to list this differently? They already acknowledge the White comes with a Polar Bear back.

And Wilhelm, which is already acknowledged by everybody as being a variation? The fact that they went in and fixed the back text makes it a variation. It may not be more rare then any other card with Polar Bear back, but Doc White clearly has cards printed with 2 different versions of the back. I don't see how the fact that they caught the error after the PBs were printed and before the other backs were printed makes it not a variation.

[rdixon1208]

I think the best made point is that this card is already covered in the master checklist. If it were a new variation, it would need to be added to the checklist.

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

The Doc (no quotes) White is different than the majority of cards. The difference is that it has a Polar Bear back. A master set of all front/back brand combinations already has this card.

Same thing with the Mathewson. Not a variation either.

And how is SCD going to list this differently? They already acknowledge the White comes with a Polar Bear back.

By virtue of the Cycle Mathewson and PB White being different than the others should be the reason for inclusion on the Master Registry. Don't care if they call it a variation or not, but it is different, so it should be listed.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by T's please

By virtue of the Cycle Mathewson and PB White being different than the others should be the reason for inclusion on the Master Registry. Don't care if they call it a variation or not, but it is different, so it should be listed.

It is already on the Master Registry. The 37-1 Mathewson is called a Cycle Mathewson and the no quotes Doc White is called a Polar Bear White.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

It is already on the Master Registry. The 37-1 Mathewson is called a Cycle Mathewson and the no quotes Doc White is called a Polar Bear White.

How many cards are in a T206 set in your world?

Let's clarify something else. There are two types of Master sets when it comes to many of the T-card issues. A "master set" which includes all player related textual/image variations and a "true master set", which includes that plus all possible front/back advertising combinations. The first definition is what we are discussing here and that is what is commonly called a "master set" as that is what is within reach for collectors; you seem to be arguing about the second kind of checklist.

Using these commonly held definitions, the White is a variation deserving of a spot in the "master set."

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

It is already on the Master Registry. The 37-1 Mathewson is called a Cycle Mathewson and the no quotes Doc White is called a Polar Bear White.

I'm not sure you and I are on the same page. You are talking about a Master Checklist and I'm talking about a Master Registry. No where in the SGC Registry does it list the Cycle Mathewson. I also included an email a few posts up from SGC stating that they will address listing it in the future.

r/
Frank