Goodwin Pickups

Peter_Spaeth · #1 09-19-2009, 10:51 AM

Volatile market.

Jim VB · #2 09-19-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Volatile market.

Volatile??? With that kind of spread, you could either make a killing, of just get killed, in a Pafko Futures Market.

Where's Crandall when we need him?

calvindog · #3 09-19-2009, 11:03 AM

Yes, the market seemed to get very volatile a couple of times.

By the way, that Goodwin card was the very first one I investigated. Not exactly like finding a needle in a haystack, however.

PS: when I started talking this way about Mastro three years ago a lot of posters/consignors got pissed at me too.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 09-19-2009, 11:10 AM

[QUOTE=calvindog;750701Not exactly like finding a needle in a haystack, however.

.[/QUOTE]

More like Haystacks Calhoun.

Jim VB · #5 09-19-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

PS: when I started talking this way about Mastro three years ago a lot of posters/consignors got pissed at me too.

Only back then? Hell, half of them are still pissed at you.

V117collector · #6 09-19-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Yes, the market seemed to get very volatile a couple of times.

By the way, that Goodwin card was the very first one I investigated. Not exactly like finding a needle in a haystack, however.

PS: when I started talking this way about Mastro three years ago a lot of posters/consignors got pissed at me too.

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Originally Posted by chiprop

Jeff- I consigned the Herzog Garter that I purchased out of Heritage for $4,200. Someone paid $6,000 for it in Goodwin's auction. Not sure who bid on it or purchased it, but it doesn't really matter. I was a perfect example of someone who buys from one auction and sells through another. Why did it sell for more? Not exactly sure, but I can tell you that I did not have anyone bid on my behalf. Maybe it's because Heritage auctions are not user friendly in many ways, and Goodwin has a site easy to use. Bill comes across as a genuine dude, and I think he has great write ups and scans. I think Goodwin is one of the premier auction houses and well respected.
I chimed in!

For some reason "Union Ruler house" keeps popping into my head! Not a communist faction on the contrary... Honest collectors should never hesitate to speak on industry standards

The answer is BALANCE and regulation!!

calvindog · #7 09-19-2009, 01:58 PM

Brad, you need help. Please get some.

And Dan, in certain circumstances you might be best advised to say nothing rather than answering as you did. But for what it's worth, Yom Kippur is around the corner so you still have time...

V117collector · #8 09-19-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Brad, you need help. Please get some.

And Dan, in certain circumstances you might be best advised to say nothing rather than answering as you did. But for what it's worth, Yom Kippur is around the corner so you still have time...

Who are you trying to convince, me or yourself?

barrysloate · #9 09-19-2009, 02:07 PM

I don't know Jeff what goes on, but the fact is if I don't get prices equal to other auction houses, I'm a has been. And as you may have noticed my auctions no longer exist.

chiprop · #10 09-19-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Brad, you need help. Please get some.

And Dan, in certain circumstances you might be best advised to say nothing rather than answering as you did. But for what it's worth, Yom Kippur is around the corner so you still have time...

Jeff -

I'm OK, thanks for looking out for me!

There seems to be overwhelming and relevant information from NET 54ers who have consigned and purchased cards in Goodwin and the consensus is... You don't always get great prices as a consigner and your top (topple) bid doesn't always get hit. Unless you have information otherwise, maybe it is what it is.

Barry-
Of course collectors read the description! There is a ton of knowledge in the write ups, and I think it has a huge deal to do with the prices he gets. There are collectors joining the hobby all the time. Not everyone understands the nuances or relevance of each card, player, etc. I think this is the single most contributing factor to Bill's success.

Leon · #11 09-19-2009, 11:14 AM

For the record I have never had an issue with Bill or his auctions. I just wonder how he can repeatedly get mulitples of a price for a card that other auction houses can't? My guess, and this is only a guess, is that consignors friends bid their friends consignments up. There is nothing Bill or any auctioneer can do to prevent that 100%. I would like to give a lie detector test to everyone that is saying things in this thread as to the question "have you ever had a friend bid on one of your cards in Bill's auctions to keep it from going too low?". My guess is there would be more than one that has.....

There also seems to be a redundancy of the same cards selling over and over, with more frequency, than other auctions. Not sure why that is....

chiprop · #12 09-19-2009, 11:33 AM

Jeff- I consigned the Herzog Garter that I purchased out of Heritage for $4,200. Someone paid $5,100 plus juice for it in Goodwin's auction. Not sure who bid on it or purchased it, but it doesn't really matter. I was a perfect example of someone who buys from one auction and sells through another. Why did it sell for more? Not exactly sure, but I can tell you that I did not have anyone bid on my behalf. Maybe it's because Heritage auctions are not user friendly in many ways, and Goodwin has a site easy to use. Bill comes across as a genuine dude, and I think he has great write ups and scans. I think Goodwin is one of the premier auction houses and well respected.
I chimed in!

Leon · #13 09-19-2009, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiprop

Jeff- I consigned the Herzog Garter that I purchased out of Heritage for $4,200. Someone paid $6,000 for it in Goodwin's auction. Not sure who bid on it or purchased it, but it doesn't really matter. I was a perfect example of someone who buys from one auction and sells through another. Why did it sell for more? Not exactly sure, but I can tell you that I did not have anyone bid on my behalf. Maybe it's because Heritage auctions are not user friendly in many ways, and Goodwin has a site easy to use. Bill comes across as a genuine dude, and I think he has great write ups and scans. I think Goodwin is one of the premier auction houses and well respected.
I chimed in!

So Dan....you have never had anyone bid on one of your cards in an auction before?

Oldtix · #14 09-19-2009, 11:38 AM

In other collecting fields, the bigger auction houses have greater access to international buyers and this tends to skew values pretty significantly. I always figured this wouldn't be the case with sports items (possible exception being Japan with baseball), but that might be incorrect.

Are international buyers active buyers for sports auctions?

Jim VB · #15 09-19-2009, 11:54 AM

At The National this year, Goodwin had several items in his case that had been "sold" in previous auctions. Notably, he had a 1914 Boston Garter Lajoie (sepia), that sold in the February auction. I asked if this item was on consignment and the sales person told me no, it was owned by them.

Lot #22 in the February auction: http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=9609

Edited to add: I know that random incidents like this might not meet the burden of proof standard in a court of law, but when I'm spending my money, I have a lower threshold.

Peter_Spaeth · #16 09-19-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim VB

Edited to add: I know that random incidents like this might not meet the burden of proof standard in a court of law, but when I'm spending my money, I have a lower threshold.

Smoke often is produced by fire.

Wesley · #17 09-19-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chiprop

Jeff- I consigned the Herzog Garter that I purchased out of Heritage for $4,200. Someone paid $5,100 plus juice for it in Goodwin's auction. Not sure who bid on it or purchased it, but it doesn't really matter. I was a perfect example of someone who buys from one auction and sells through another.

I am also someone who occasionally has to sells cards. Sometimes I sell in order to pay for other cards, and sometimes I sell simply because my attention span with baseball cards is so short and I constantly change focus. The cards might be resold only a few months after purchase, so hopefully this does not create suspicion for those who help me auction these cards.

As far as results, sometimes I do ok, but more often than not, the cards I sell go for less than the average on VCP. That's jsut the nature of the hobby. Unlike some other auction houses, Goodwin has always paid me on time, and I do trust Goodwin to be an honest auction house.

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