Goodwin Pickups

[calvindog]

Same exact card in each auction. One of the Mastro auction results was not realized because the card "wasn't paid for" and it was sold for less money. I guess the down economy still caused someone (or two) to suddenly decide that the card could be popped out and upgraded upon resubmission:

5/8/09 Goodwin $21,494.30
9/1/07 Mastro $14,383.20
4/27/07 Mastro $13,698.00
4/3/06 Mastro $12,773.40

Oh and in 2006-07 Mastro was certainly not shy about bidding up their cards in any manner possible.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Maybe Bill hyped Cobb's batting average.

[calvindog]

Or used flowery language in the item description.

[Vintageclout]

What nobody seems to realize and, correct me if I've missed a related response, is that detailed descriptions are more important for the CONSIGNER, not the buyer. As a frequent consigner to many auction houses, I want the auction house to make my card(s) sound like holy grails, within reason of course. REA, Heritage, Goodwin and Mile High are the four best (Mastro was also great) at accomplishing this and those auctions will continue to receive my high end material for "taking care" of my lots. Their descriptions and marketing concepts are the best. While I am sure it is also advantageous for the buyers as so eloquently stated by Jim B., keep in mind without a continuous flow of high end consigments, EVERY auction house is out of business.

Joe T.

[botn]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Same exact card in each auction. One of the Mastro auction results was not realized because the card "wasn't paid for" and it was sold for less money. I guess the down economy still caused someone (or two) to suddenly decide that the card could be popped out and upgraded upon resubmission:

5/8/09 Goodwin $21,494.30
9/1/07 Mastro $14,383.20
4/27/07 Mastro $13,698.00
4/3/06 Mastro $12,773.40

Oh and in 2006-07 Mastro was certainly not shy about bidding up their cards in any manner possible.

Jeff on this thread http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...C494.30&page=3 (page 6) when you were going after Mastro you classified the first and last sales as "the most likely to be legit."

Greg

[calvindog]

Yes, in that the consignor received payment not that fraud was not involved. I've previously posted that the Plows Candy Cobb "sales" numbers were ostenstibly ludicrous once the Goodwin number was included.

By the way, is it true that a T205 set that "sold" for over 40K this summer in Goodwin showed up for sale, card by card, at the National a few days later and was deeply discounted -- by Goodwin?

[bigfish]

Dan,

You like to use the term "topple" too? That is awesome but it is mine first. This thread is outrageous.

Dan,

Scan on the way.

[botn]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Yes, in that the consignor received payment not that fraud was not involved. I've previously posted that the Plows Candy Cobb "sales" numbers were ostenstibly ludicrous once the Goodwin number was included.

By the way, is it true that a T205 set that "sold" for over 40K this summer in Goodwin showed up for sale, card by card, at the National a few days later and was deeply discounted -- by Goodwin?

Jeff,

I thought the discussion on that thread was specifically about the legitimacy of the card being sold 4 times. The title of the thread is Cards Making The Rounds. I did not see any posts about questions as to whether or not a consignor was paid on that thread.

As far as what Bill brought for sale to the National I did not pay too close attention. The time I spent at this table was mainly looking over the auction preview and speaking to him and several collectors who seemed to be hanging out behind his table. I won't speak for Bill but it has been my experience that he does not bring a great deal to sell at the shows.

Greg

[Cat]

For clarification, I am not a Truther nor a Birther.

[chiprop]

I think there are valid reasons that Bill may have items from his last auction for sale at The National. I know of a couple guys who were making the rounds recently bidding on items and never having any intention to pay for them. I can't comment specifically about the t205s, but it does happen. I'm not defending anyone, cause I really don't know what the truth is, all I'm saying is that there seems to be an overwhelming positive response from buyers and sellers from his auctions and I will give him the benefit of the doubt till proven otherwise.

[chiprop]

bigfish- come on with it! I'm bored.

[Peter_Spaeth]

There is an innocent explanation for everything. Here, this PSA 8 1965 Ernie Banks went for 5x that day (723, typically sells around 150 on a good day) due to two bidders not having the patience to wait for the next one to come along or to find another of the 10 then available. Or maybe it was the flowery description.

http://goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=2375

[Rob D.]

 

[sox1903wschamp]

Originally Posted by chiprop

I know of a couple guys who were making the rounds recently bidding on items and never having any intention to pay for them.

Real nice to know... Hopefully, they are through "making the rounds".

[Matt E.]

Originally Posted by calvindog

By the way, is it true that a T205 set that "sold" for over 40K this summer in Goodwin showed up for sale, card by card, at the National a few days later and was deeply discounted -- by Goodwin?

I don't know about the entire set, but I bought eight or nine key T205's from Goodwin at the Cleveland National. I was surprised to see they were the same examples previously sold in the July 2009 auction. They were good deals, upgrades for my set and I paid full asking price.

[paul]

I'm just glad to see all the posts by Barry. I saw the "RIP" next to his name earlier in the thread and became concerned.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Same exact card in each auction. One of the Mastro auction results was not realized because the card "wasn't paid for" and it was sold for less money. I guess the down economy still caused someone (or two) to suddenly decide that the card could be popped out and upgraded upon resubmission:

5/8/09 Goodwin $21,494.30
9/1/07 Mastro $14,383.20
4/27/07 Mastro $13,698.00
4/3/06 Mastro $12,773.40

Oh and in 2006-07 Mastro was certainly not shy about bidding up their cards in any manner possible.

I was the consignor for the E300 Plow Cobb on 5/8/09 and I was paid for this card a few weeks after the auction. I also did not ask anyone to shill the auction on my behalf if that is what you are suggesting.

In that auction, I consigned four cards, and had good results on the E300, but took losses on the other cards. Overall, I did a little worse than breaking even on the four.

[calvindog]

Wes, as we've discussed -- repeatedly -- I have never felt you were involved in shill bidding. Shill bidding is not always done by the consignors. (Ask Doug Allen about this)

And I respect your feelings about Goodwin; most consignors are happy with him and if I were you, considering the history of the sales of that Plows Cobb, I'd have been happy as well.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The long hoped-for bullet had entered his brain .... he had won the victory over himself -- he loved Bill Goodwin.

[Vintageclout]

Since we are "once again" on the topic of the Plow's Candy card...not that it is anyone's business...I just happened to be the under bidder on the card. I bid several times AFTER the $14+K number it received in Mastro and before the auction commenced I had already decided I would pay up to $20K. I did not place any ceiling bids on this one and went after it bid by bid. Why would I want to pay so much in a a down economy? I am beginning to realize that very rare and desirable cards get extravagant numbers in ALL auctions. I have paid excessive premiums for cards in the past few years, and I am sure will have the last laugh, especially when the economy turns around. There are certain cards that will ALWAYS get the numbers.

Regarding the T205's at Goodwin's table, like Greg, I don't know much about them but have been hearing multiple horror stories from the major auctuion houses with reference to non-paying bidders. In fact, I am sure we have all read the Mile High write-up regarding the Bresich Williams SGC 60 Cy Young and why it is being offered again. Brian D. is a great guy and I have to give him the benefit of the doubt on the E107 Young. I think this situation is growing incresingly alarming because NO auction houses seem to be taking legal action against non-paying bidders, most likely due to the bad press it could generate. Until that happens, bidders will continue to take advatantage of an auction house and, at will, make impromptu decisions not to pay. This is an issue that will eventually need to be dealt with by EVERY auction house or else they will continue to have to pay their consigners (if they choose that route) and "eat" their respective unpaid lots.

Thoughts?

Joe T.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Regarding the T205's at Goodwin's table, like Greg, I don't know much about them but have been hearing multiple horror stories from the major auctuion houses with reference to non-paying bidders. ... Thoughts?

Joe T.

I think I remember receiving an e-mail from Robert Edward Auctions regarding its spring auction. More than 1,500 lots, and only one non-paying bidder. My guess is that REA has the same core pool of bidders as the other major auction houses.

REA is really dodging bullets. One non-paying bidder in an auction with that many lots, and other auction houses are getting stood up multiple times in auctions with one-third the number of lots.

[Vintageclout]

And I guess we all need to take REA's comments about non-paying bidder counts as gospel....give me a break!

[botn]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Since we are "once again" on the topic of the Plow's Candy card...not that it is anyone's business...I just happened to be the under bidder on the card. I bid several times AFTER the $14+K number it received in Mastro and before the auction commenced I had already decided I would pay up to $20K. I did not place any ceiling bids on this one and went after it bid by bid. Why would I want to pay so much in a a down economy? I am beginning to realize that very rare and desirable cards get extravagant numbers in ALL auctions. I have paid excessive premiums for cards in the past few years, and I am sure will have the last laugh, especially when the economy turns around. There are certain cards that will ALWAYS get the numbers.

Oh no. Not facts!!! Thanks for posting.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by botn

Oh no. Not facts!!! Thanks for posting.

I need to consult my guide so I know just what to take as "gospel."

[barrysloate]

Other than one non-paying bidder in my last auction, I have had every lot paid for for years, comprising perhaps 8-10 consecutive auctions. I never even thought of that as an issue. As such, I am extremely skeptical of auctions that claim a large number of renegers.