Goodwin Pickups

[bobfreedman]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Yes, Toby, we all know they are 'great' people. No one disputes that.

Jeff, you must be a 'GREAT' lawyer that defends 'GREAT' people

[calvindog]

Bob, good second post.

I defend people according to what our laws permit - you know, the Constitution and all. I don't break the law while defending them. You can see the difference between that and fraud, right?

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

Jeff, you must be a 'GREAT' lawyer that defends 'GREAT' people

I'm not exactly sure what you meant by that comment, Bob, but it seems pretty misguided.

Although I hope to never find out for myself, by all accounts, Jeff appears to pretty a pretty damn good lawyer. (Perhaps even "great".)

As far as whom he defends, I'm proud to live in a country where EVERYONE accused of wrongdoing has the right to receive a solid defense. Your comment seems to suggest that some people don't deserve that kind of quality defense. If that's what you meant, you're in the wrong country.

[bobfreedman]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

I'm not exactly sure what you meant by that comment, Bob, but it seems pretty misguided.

Although I hope to never find out for myself, by all accounts, Jeff appears to pretty a pretty damn good lawyer. (Perhaps even "great".)

As far as whom he defends, I'm proud to live in a country where EVERYONE accused of wrongdoing has the right to receive a solid defense. Your comment seems to suggest that some people don't deserve that kind of quality defense. If that's what you meant, you're in the wrong country.

I think we all know what I was implying, Jeff has accused someone of wrongdoing without a shred of evidence, only conjecture and hypothesis. I understand that our legal system is the best in the world (I have lived outside the US many years) but I am entitled to my opinion (another great thing about living in this country) and in my opinion Jeff is handling this poorly by damaging the reputation of an honest person. And this I speak from fact.

[Matt]

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[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

I think we all know what I was implying, Jeff has accused someone of wrongdoing without a shred of evidence, only conjecture and hypothesis. I understand that our legal system is the best in the world (I have lived outside the US many years) but I am entitled to my opinion (another great thing about living in this country) and in my opinion Jeff is handling this poorly by damaging the reputation of an honest person. And this I speak from fact.

All Jeff has done is that he has seen some dramatic abnormalities in the sales prices of items from this particular auction house, and pointed them out.

A couple of years ago, he pointed out some similar irregularities with another auction house and was harshly criticized for his take. How'd that work out?

Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but this is a Vintage Baseball Card Forum, which makes Jeff's thoughts on an auction's potential irregularities completely "on topic".

Conversely, your post on Jeff's chosen profession is totally "off topic".

I don't care if he picks up trash for the city. If he sees things being done wrongly I want to hear and read about it.

If you disagree with his opinion, go ahead. Say why. But leave the straw man arguments out of the discussion.


Edited to add: I'm not sure I'd use the term "without a shred of evidence." He offered plenty of evidence. Most of it was circumstantial, but it's still evidence.

Edited again: You said, "And this I speak from fact." Care to offer any of those facts?

[Peter_Spaeth]

You managed to insult sanitation workers and straw men in a single post.

Edit to add Anyone here think 11K for a PSA 9 Red Heart Mantle seems unusual? Just curious.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Edit to add Anyone here think 11K for a PSA 9 Red Heart Mantle seems unusual? Just curious.

Reasons I can think of:

1. Marketing

2. Rare cards sell for high prices no matter what the economy. I think most collectors know about the rarity of high-grade Red Hearts.

3. Marketing

4. Really cool description in the auction catalog. (Did you know Mickey Mantle was born in Spavinaw, Okla.?)

5. Marketing

[Peter_Spaeth]

Rob thanks those had not occurred to me.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You managed to insult sanitation workers and straw men in a single post.

Edit to add Anyone here think 11K for a PSA 9 Red Heart Mantle seems unusual? Just curious.

Actually, my take on NYC is that it would be a far better place with a few more Sanitation Workers and a few less lawyers. But I no longer tilt at windmills.

[Peter_Spaeth]

And this discussion would be even better with more straw men than already have been raised.

[mightyq]

peter, i think i have seen that card sell 10 times for around the $3,500 range. where did it sell for $11,000? excuse me if i missed it. i would assume without looking it was a goodwin auction? i am implying this because of the location of your post not saying bill g is doing any wrong doings. so how are you doing

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mightyq

peter, i think i have seen that card sell 10 times for around the $3,500 range. where did it sell for $11,000? excuse me if i missed it. i would assume without looking it was a goodwin auction? i am implying this because of the location of your post not saying bill g is doing any wrong doings. so how are you doing

(Does best Ella Fitzgerald imitation)
It was just, one, of those things....
http://goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=2231

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by mightyq

peter, i think i have seen that card sell 10 times for around the $3,500 range. where did it sell for $11,000? excuse me if i missed it. i would assume without looking it was a goodwin auction? i am implying this because of the location of your post not saying bill g is doing any wrong doings. so how are you doing

Marty,

$11,294 in the August 2007 Goodwin auction.

VCP list 25 transactions of that card, in that grade, between August 2006 and June 2009. The other 24 are all between $2400 and $4,000.

But the August 2007 one was really written up well. (Almost like a newspaper editor did it, or something!)