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Old 09-23-2009, 05:47 PM
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Now, does anyone have the scan ot the type 2 Bourquin?
There is a T209-2 Bourquin in Lot 49 of the B&L Auction (No, I'm not the consigner).


And here's one from Card Pricer
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:12 PM
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There was a Fulton, Kentucky team( Fulton Colonels) in the KITTY league in 1911, if that is of any help.
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:20 PM
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OK guys, what do you think of the facial similarity?
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:48 PM
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What Bill said... Fulton, Ky had a team in 1911, 1922-24, 1936-42, and 1946-55.

Fulton, New York had a team in 1910 in the Central New York League. Presidnt was L. T. Galusha. Teams included Auburn, Geneva, Oneida, Rome, Oswego, Fulton, and Cortland. The League folded June 3, 1910. This was a class D league, I don't see it in the minor league data base.

So does anyone have a Sporting Life for April or May of 1910? That might have some New York Central League box scores. I might have an issue from then, but it will take me a while to dig down to them. My lone reel of Sporting Life on microfilm is 13 Mar 1909 to 5 Mar 1910. I'll check the last couple of issues on that in a few days, but I doubt it would show any box scores.

So I think this guy Bourquise was with the Fulton team of the NYCL in 1910, then caught on down south in time for photos with Rocky Mount, then never stuck with the team because of an injury, home-sickness, his yankee ways, or something...
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Frank, the only problem with that theory is that the T209-1 series is from 1909 not 1910.

Looking at the SABR minor league database it appears the player they are calling Bourquise & Bourquin is in their records as "Burke" (possibly a mistake?)-- A player named "Burke" was with Rocky Mount in 1909 and Wilmington in 1910.
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Looking at the SABR minor league database it appears the player they are calling Bourquise & Bourquin is in their records as "Burke" (possibly a mistake?)-- A player named "Burke" was with Rocky Mount in 1909 and Wilmington in 1910.
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I am back home and I figured while we are discussing this it wouldn't hurt to discuss the other playrs in the set as well as I still have many question marks.

From my list this is the best I can do on the full names of the players represented in the T209-1 set. As best I can tell there are 3 that made the Majors Booles, Crockett & McGeehan.

1. Charles Armstrong
2. Seabron Jesse Booles**
3. ?? Bourquise (Burke?)
4. John H. Cooper
5. John W. Cowell
6. Daniel Solomon Crockett**
7. Phifer Fullenwider
8. Hub Gilmore
9. H. H. Hoffman
10. J. J. Lane
11. P. L. Martin
12. Daniel DeSales McGeehan**
13. Ashley Franklin Pope
14. Charles A. Sisson
15. Charles Steubbe (mispelled Stubbe)
16. Martin Walsh (it could be Joseph Francis Walsh** but the picture looks much more like Martin)

** Played in the Majors

Can anyone add anything to this list?

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Rhett, I'm not saying that the player depicted on that card is Bourquise. I don't know that.

I am saying that Fulton New York had a team in 1910. And that DEFINITELY is "Fulton" on that jersey.

Maybe we need to rethink an issue date for T209s and consider them as cards a bit later than thought, maybe not, I've not looked into that. I do know Mr. Lipset thought the set to be in the 1910 timeframe. He notes that Buck Hooker is shown with Danville, a team for which he played only in 1910.

And with a 1910 date for T209, the printers could have used a spring 1910 "Fulton" image for a summer 1910 issue.
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