T209-1 Contentnea ....Bourquise?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Looking at the SABR minor league database it appears the player they are calling Bourquise & Bourquin is in their records as "Burke" (possibly a mistake?)-- A player named "Burke" was with Rocky Mount in 1909 and Wilmington in 1910.
-Rhett

Nice find Rhett!

[rhettyeakley]

I am back home and I figured while we are discussing this it wouldn't hurt to discuss the other playrs in the set as well as I still have many question marks.

From my list this is the best I can do on the full names of the players represented in the T209-1 set. As best I can tell there are 3 that made the Majors Booles, Crockett & McGeehan.

1. Charles Armstrong
2. Seabron Jesse Booles**
3. ?? Bourquise (Burke?)
4. John H. Cooper
5. John W. Cowell
6. Daniel Solomon Crockett**
7. Phifer Fullenwider
8. Hub Gilmore
9. H. H. Hoffman
10. J. J. Lane
11. P. L. Martin
12. Daniel DeSales McGeehan**
13. Ashley Franklin Pope
14. Charles A. Sisson
15. Charles Steubbe (mispelled Stubbe)
16. Martin Walsh (it could be Joseph Francis Walsh** but the picture looks much more like Martin)

** Played in the Majors

Can anyone add anything to this list?

-Rhett

[FrankWakefield]

Rhett, I'm not saying that the player depicted on that card is Bourquise. I don't know that.

I am saying that Fulton New York had a team in 1910. And that DEFINITELY is "Fulton" on that jersey.

Maybe we need to rethink an issue date for T209s and consider them as cards a bit later than thought, maybe not, I've not looked into that. I do know Mr. Lipset thought the set to be in the 1910 timeframe. He notes that Buck Hooker is shown with Danville, a team for which he played only in 1910.

And with a 1910 date for T209, the printers could have used a spring 1910 "Fulton" image for a summer 1910 issue.

[rhettyeakley]

Frank, you misunderstood my post I think. I was saying the T209 Color set (or T209-1) was from 1909. I went back and checked Lew's book and he states "Best guess at a date for this issue is 1910" he was just off by a year. The player selection & associated teams definitely dates this set to 1909.

You (and Lew) are correct that the T209 Black & White set (T209-2) is from 1910, this is the set that Lew was referring to that includes Buck Hooker.

-Rhett

[FrankWakefield]

Right you are, Rhett. Sorry about that, I was out in left field...

Still, that player is in a "Fulton" uniform. Fulton, New York seems likely; but it could be for an independent Fulton team from New York or Kentucky... Forgetting the issue of who he is, that definitely says "Fulton" on there.

[Potomac Yank]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Right you are, Rhett. Sorry about that, I was out in left field...

Still, that player is in a "Fulton" uniform. Fulton, New York seems likely; but it could be for an independent Fulton team from New York or Kentucky... Forgetting the issue of who he is, that definitely says "Fulton" on there.

*

Frank, no one is disputing that, the question is ... "Fulton" ... where, and does anyone have a picture of this Burke guy?

[FrankWakefield]

Well I'm still thinking Fulton, New York. But that questions the color Contentnea time line. Maybe the cards were printed in 2 bunches and one bunch was in 1910... Maybe the color cards are all 1910 cards, that's what I think.