Alan Hager - not off-topic exactly, just weird . . .

[rdwyer]

Alan Hagar slabbed thousands of over graded coins with his company ASA Accugrade. He also slabbed thousands of Mark McQuire rookie cards. He sued multiple coin dealers years back and lost, claiming they defamed him. All around con man and bad name for any industry.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by rdwyer

Alan Hagar slabbed thousands of over graded coins with his company ASA Accugrade. He also slabbed thousands of Mark McQuire rookie cards. He sued multiple coin dealers years back and lost, claiming they defamed him. All around con man and bad name for any industry.

Is there anyone the Hager's haven't sued?

[Howe’s Hunter]

there was supposed to be a big show in Omaha, so drove from Lincoln to there, it only to find three dealers set up. Seemed something had gone wrong there, so all the dealers drove the 50 miles to Lincoln and set up shop in the lobby of a shopping center. At that time, I was trying to get a back of each of the 16 brands of T206s, and he had several I didn't have, including stories of how Lenox cards were sold only in New Orleans, Old Mill sold only in Memphis, EpdG really were from Havana and were basically smuggeled in to the country, etc. Walked away thinking "this guy has published a book, and doesn't know as much as me?"

[cardinalcollector]

I believe this Ebay seller is Alan Hager. It looks like his stuff anyway.

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI...jacollectibles

I bought his book for about $50 when it came out. I was not an expert in vintage at the time, but the errors and typos were very apparent to me.

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by cardinalcollector

I believe this Ebay seller is Alan Hager. It looks like his stuff anyway.

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI...jacollectibles

I bought his book for about $50 when it came out. I was not an expert in vintage at the time, but the errors and typos were very apparent to me.

Here is GOTJA Collectibles past eBay's User Names. Take notice of the Third one down...

The box below contains the User IDs that this member has used on eBay.

eBay Member User ID History

User ID Effective Date End Date

gotjacollectibles Feb-10-09 Present


treasuregalleryinc Jul-07-06 Feb-10-09


ah-collectibles Dec-04-00 Jul-07-06


****************@hotmail.com May-31-00 Dec-04-00



eBay hides parts of User IDs with "*" to protect member privacy.

[slidekellyslide]

That is definitely Hager's ebay ID.

Some of the things included in his lawsuits were hilarious too. He even included as part of his suit against the ANA and RCC that a member of RCC had called his wife a "screaming fishwife". I don't know what that means, but it still makes me laugh.

[barrysloate]

Dan- I guess you figured out it wasn't a compliment.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by stuckinomaha

epdg really were from havana and were basically smuggeled in to the country

[uffda51]

I only bought a few cards from his auctions. Most of them failed to cross over.
I got my money back after lots of haggling.



This one now resides in an SGC Authentic holder. It was graded an ASA 8, although there were no oversize slabs at the time, so you got the card in a CardSaver sleeve, along with with a printed label. Pretty hard to tell if the card measures short when there is no slab to bounce around in. Over time, ASA's crediblity became on a par with that of PRO.

One of Hager's claims was that there are either one or two complete sets of Darby Chocolates known. Dennis Purdy offered $1000, if I recall correctly, to anyone who could produce a complete set. No takers yet.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by uffda51

One of Hager's claims was that there are either one or two complete sets of Darby Chocolates known. Dennis Purdy offered $1000, if I recall correctly, to anyone who could produce a complete set. No takers yet.

One of the problems with his book was that Hager assigned values to cards which were not known to exist. He also assigned values to cards which did not (do not) exist in the higher grade conditions.

[paul]

The basic problem is that he wrote the entire book for the purpose of inflating the value of his inventory.

[Zach Wheat]

I just read Perdy's article about Hager while looking through my old VCBC's. If anyone is interested, the article was in the Jan/Feb 1997 issue #9. Apparently, there was another article in Issue #7 (pgs 94-95) detailing Accugrade/ASA. There were too many accusations (with proof) to go into a lot of detail...but he isn't someone with which I would want to do biz with....

[judsonhamlin]

I remember that there was actual "buzz' about Hagar's book coming out and as soon as it did, the best anyone said was "well, it has nice pictures". As far as doing business with him or giving him one cent (even if it is on a dime planchet), I'd rather be trapped in a closet with a rabid badger.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by judsonhamlin

I remember that there was actual "buzz' about Hagar's book coming out and as soon as it did, the best anyone said was "well, it has nice pictures". As far as doing business with him or giving him one cent (even if it is on a dime planchet), I'd rather be trapped in a closet with a rabid badger.

Or two rats in a sock!

[bigtrain]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

I just read Perdy's article about Hager while looking through my old VCBC's. If anyone is interested, the article was in the Jan/Feb 1997 issue #9. Apparently, there was another article in Issue #7 (pgs 94-95) detailing Accugrade/ASA. There were too many accusations (with proof) to go into a lot of detail...but he isn't someone with which I would want to do biz with....

Glad I held on to all my VCBCs. I still refer to many of the great articles including Barry's classic on Rare Baseball Books. Dennis wasn't shy about taking on the bad guys, Hager and his ilk.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

Glad I held on to all my VCBCs. I still refer to many of the great articles including Barry's classic on Rare Baseball Books. Dennis wasn't shy about taking on the bad guys, Hager and his ilk.

Always enjoyed his rants about I believe the name was Richard Galasso.

[barrysloate]

Thanks Tom. It was my favorite one, too.

[Bridwell]

Besides buying a few overgraded ASA or Accugrade cards, I had the misfortune of winning several pre-war lots in one of his auctions around 20 years ago. Some lots were badly overgraded and I had to return them. One lot that was EX to EX-MT had multiple creases that apparently had been ironed to minimize them. When I returned the items, Hager and his wife made threats and insulting remarks. She even said that they are the experts of the industry, so there's no way I should dare to question their descriptions of the cards. I later read an article he wrote where he claimed to 'doctor' cards and increased their values dramatically. Probably they were graded by ASA. What an ego!

He invented graded cards like Al Gore invented the internet!

Ron R