Need Help Identifying RPPC

[DixieBaseball]

What concerns me here is not you and your photo and what your conclusion may be - I know you are honest and just mistaken. But, the types of arguments you make mirror those made by sellers in a number of fraudulent cases I have seen. This also illustrates why such sellers can always find a buyer.

Mark - Your comments above remind of George Costanza from one of the Seinfeld episodes where he looks at Jerry and says "Jerry, just remember... it's not a lie if you believe it."

Mark - For the record, I have no conclusion on who this might be, but I do feel that it is inconclusive either way.

Thanks again for your insight, time, and expertise.

Here is another really grainy photo from the 08 Team Pic : The Noses look very similar in these 2 pics. When looking at 100 year old photo's and the player is at just the slightest angle, up or down, tilted left or right, it changes the look of the nose... With 7 Bay photo's, his nose takes on different looks depending on how is expression on his face is and the angle he is looking at you with...

[bmarlowe1]

>>>"Mark - Your comments above remind of George Costanza from one of the Seinfeld episodes where he looks at Jerry and says "Jerry, just remember... it's not a lie if you believe it."

What in the world are you talking about?

>>>"another really grainy photo..."

No - the one just above is the only really grainy photo so far posted. It is so blurred it is worthless.

>>>When looking at 100 year old photo's and the player is at just the slightest angle, up or down, tilted left or right, it changes the look of the nose... With 7 Bay photo's, his nose takes on different looks depending on how is expression on his face is and the angle he is looking at you with...

Total nonsense. Expression will not affect the appearance of the width of the end of one's nose (or how far your left ear sticks out) and it doesn't matter if the photo is 100 years old or one year old. Smiling (absent in all the photos under discussion) can move the nostrils up - but won't make them closer together.

Slight changes in angle will not affect the "look" of major characteristics; large differences in angle may make them harder to see or interpret, especially without a lot of experience. That's why I posted a clear photo of Bay (for which the "grains" were far smaller than the features - nothing is obscured) that was at virtually the same angle as yours. Your guy's nose looks narrow at the tip because it is.

So - find me a clear frontal view photo of Babe Ruth, or Jackie Robinson (you have thousands from which to choose) in which a "slight" angle of the head makes the end of the nose look narrow. You won't find one, nor will you ever find one of Bay.

[bmarlowe1]

I was feeling lazy - I should have done this at the start, but I figured it would be sufficiently obvious that these were not the same person. I don't know if Jeremy will understand this, but most readers will.

[DixieBaseball]

Mark - That is interesting science...

Can you do that with these 2 Bay photo's ? When I use your line mechanism, I can't get these 2 Bay Pictures to measure up to each other from Hat line to chin line. It seems the Bay Photo you keep using looks the least like any of the other Bay photo's.

Thanks,

J

[bmarlowe1]

>>> It seems the Bay Photo you keep using looks the least like any of the other Bay photo's.

I think he looks exactly like the other Bay photos - but that is not the point.

As I said 3 times, I use it because it is remarkably at the same angle as yours, turned about 15% to his left, camera slightly above. Of course this number is an estimate, but whatever it really is - it is very close in the two photos. So all features should at least come close to lining up, including the ears, but they are all way off.

>>> I can't get these 2 Bay Pictures to measure up to each other

I would hope not. Firstly, you need to rotate it a bit so the eyeballs are dead level. But regardless of that, it's a straight on shot - so you would have to make his eyeballs a bit farther apart than the photo I used to account for the head not being turned to the left (about 5% or 6% wider apart based on the cosine of the estimated turn angle). If you do that you can get things to line up pretty well.

No matter how you resize your photo - you won't get all the features to line up.

[smokelessjoe]

Another Bay picture...

[bmarlowe1]

Shawn - that's the photo from which Jeremy extracted the very blurry image of Bay.