How Important Is Provenance To You?

oldjudge · #1 12-22-2009, 04:26 PM

Used to be very important to me, but now I drive to Boston through Hartford so I bypass it entirely.

Bamacollection · #2 12-22-2009, 04:56 PM

SGC carries all the "provenance" I need. Although, I do have a couple cards from Nagy and Carter collections, I wouldn't hesitate to crack them out if I thought they would upgrade. The "Galloway" collection is the only collection to me.

ChiefBenderForever · #3 12-22-2009, 05:02 PM

I think it's really special to get a collection straight from the person who bought them in packs or inherited them from family untouched by anyone else. I was lucky to get a 34 Goudey collection from an old man who bought them as a kid and I kept thinking about how he kept them all those years and then I got them and no one else ever touched them, until I sold them all to Toby.

Anthony S. · #4 12-22-2009, 05:14 PM

As most of us know, if the old-time collector kept his T and E cards in those older style 16 pocket sheets, he may well have trimmed some of them so that they could fit in the pockets. It's the quaint style of trimming as opposed to the modern deceptive variety.

Abravefan11 · #5 12-22-2009, 05:22 PM

Similar to Rob D., I had a technically higher graded M116 that I downgraded because I was able to pick up the same card from the Carter collection.

I now have 4 of the 16 M116 Boston National players from the Carter collection. It's a long shot but I would hope to one day get 16 of them back together.

I enjoy owning even just a small piece of this historic collection.

barrysloate · #6 12-22-2009, 05:37 PM

Good one Jay...at least I got it.

sox1903wschamp · #7 12-22-2009, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Similar to Rob D., I had a technically higher graded M116 that I downgraded because I was able to pick up the same card from the Carter collection.

I now have 4 of the 16 M116 Boston National players from the Carter collection. It's a long shot but I would hope to one day get 16 of them back together.

I enjoy owning even just a small piece of this historic collection.

Agree with Rob and Tim Completly.

I have 6 of the M116 Boston American players from Lionel and would love to put the Red Sox subset back intact even if it means selling off better graded cards. I also have a few Boston American Caramels, Ramly's and M101-4/5 cards from him.

IMO, Lionel Carter is what collecting is all about and a true pioneer. I know there are some that do not care but I like having cards that he owned in my collection.

101SOX19 · #8 12-22-2009, 08:02 PM

Provenance does mean something to me. I was fortunate enough to attend a session of the Barry Halper auction (knowing full well I couldn't afford anything in the auction), just to get the catalog and the bidding paddle.

A certain dealer bought several of the rarer vintage card lots from the Halper auction. The next month in his catalog, I saw a 1911 Baseball Bats card from the Halper auction that fit my collection and I jumped at the chance to acquire something from the sale. An average baseball fan or collector may not know the names of Nagy or Carter, but you bring up the name of Barry Halper and a lot more people will recall the name and/or the collection.

10 years later, many auction houses still reference if a piece of memorabilia originated from the Halper collection, but I don't know how many of the cards from his collection can be traced back?

Tsaiko · #9 12-22-2009, 08:30 PM

Thanks for all the informative posts and opinions guys. Really thought provoking. I had to look up Carter, Nagy, Halper and the others, wow.

My cards were collected directly from the cigarette packs, by a very special (to me anyway) lover and player of the game of baseball.

I appreciate this hobby more today than I did yesterday - thanks.

@oldjudge - Too funny...........and I know that route well, or used to.

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