Wow. Now this is cool. Modern+Vintage combined=Awesome in T206 (2009)

[T206Collector]

Here's another one....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-T-206-C...item45f05b7bf5

Like Wheat, signed T206 cards of Jones are relatively -- stress relatively -- available, and Topps could have put one in its little black books, as opposed to cutting up a 3 x 5. In any event, I am now curious as to what the total checklist is for these inserts. There is at least a Cobb (by the way, does anyone have a scan of that one somewhere?), Wheat and now Jones...

Thanks.

[Basilone]

from the Topps sell sheet....

[quinnsryche]

Checklist is as follows from Topps website: Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins, Walter Johnson, Davy Jones, Nap Lajoie, Lefty Leifield, Paddy Livingstone, Tris Speaker, Ira Thomas & Zach Wheat. To my knowledge, all cards are issued as 1 of 1's I think the Wheat sold late last year for approx. $500

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by quinnsryche

Checklist is as follows from Topps website: Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins, Walter Johnson, Davy Jones, Nap Lajoie, Lefty Leifield, Paddy Livingstone, Tris Speaker, Ira Thomas & Zach Wheat.

This is an interesting checklist of 10 players to choose from. In particular, Livingstone, Leifield and Jones are really easy to find signed items for. Similar to Larry Doyle and Fred Snodgrass in scarcity, or lack thereof. Why they didn't put a Rube Marquard or Snodgrass in this list is beyond me. Those would have probably been the easiest "books" to compile. Instead, you get Ira Thomas? He died in 1958 and is a little bit more tough to get on a 3x5. The Cobb, Collins, Johnson, Lajoie and Speaker must have been "intentional" -- at least signed 3x5s for these guys would cost you multi-hundreds. And Jones, Leifield, Livingston and Wheat are very common.

Just a somewhat strange grouping by the absence of Marquard and Snodgrass and the inclusion of Ira Thomas.

I would be interested to see the thought process that goes into making a relic subset like this. To me it seems a little like they wanted to do some big name HOFers, but then decided to fill it out with a few easy to find and randomly selected 3x5 commons.

[quinnsryche]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I would be interested to see the thought process that goes into making a relic subset like this.

Remember, this is Topps, the inclusion of a thought process would be welcome by ALL collectors!

[PolarBear]

Topps Allen & Ginter is the best modern "vintage" set in my opinion. They seem to have gotten the vintage "look" pretty close to the originals. The other sets fall short, some pretty far short.

Unfortunately though, other than the 2006 set, there aren't many retired players in the A&G sets, but they have included several Negro Leaguers the past few years. All living I think, so they can do auto's also.

The UD Masterpieces set was also very good and included many retired players. Unfortunately, they discontinued the product. Some great looking cards in that set though.

I wish they'd do an A&G HOF set, now that would be awsome.

[quinnsryche]

Upper Deck issued a Goodwin Champions series in 2009 which was somewhat attractive. They also had redemptions for authentic buybacks of (at least) King Kelly (SGC A), Cap Anson (SGC A) and a Jack Dempsey (PSA 4). You can see photos of those 3 cards on the Upper Deck website under Goodwin Champions and then the 411 product info option.

[Robextend]

Originally Posted by PolarBear

Topps Allen & Ginter is the best modern "vintage" set in my opinion. They seem to have gotten the vintage "look" pretty close to the originals.

I totally agree that the Topps Allen & Ginter set is the best looking modern "vintage set". I had a 2007 Tim Lincecum Topps A&G RC slabbed a 98 by SGC. The vintage look, and the way the card presents in the slab makes it one of my favorite cards.

Originally Posted by PolarBear

I wish they'd do an A&G HOF set, now that would be awsome.

I don't buy much modern if any at all, but that would be something I would like to see as well.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by quinnsryche

Remember, this is Topps, the inclusion of a thought process would be welcome by ALL collectors!

Yeah, but it's a shame. They keep pumping out these faux vintage sets. And they had a decent idea here combining card with autograph in a display. But I just feel like they could have developed it a little more.

If you doing research on putting together an autographed T206 relic subset, the first thing you would learn is that Marquard died in 1980 and signed everything in sight including a slew of T206 cards. Given this, it is just surprising in my mind that they opted not to include one in this set -- or at least a 3x5 cut with the buyback T206. Ditto Snodgrass and Doyle, both of whom are also not featured here. This makes the subset sort of random, to me, which makes the subset less interesting as a collectible group.

If you gave me $500 at a decent vintage card show (or on ebay, frankly), in a couple of hours I could get you half a dozen more autographs of T206 players on 3x5s as well as their respective T206 cards -- in addition to Sno and Doyle, you'd at least get Meyers, Bush, McBride and Rucker.

Topps could have spent a couple more hours and hardly any more money and done a lot more with this subset, is all I'm saying.

[quinnsryche]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Yeah, but it's a shame.

The real shame is going to local shows and 95% of the dealers (and collectors) don't have a clue who these older players are. Heck, I hear the mispronunciation of numerous current players names that anyone who watches 5 mins. of baseball would know. We all know why the card companies keep issuing Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Wagner etc. cards over and over, they sell because they are the only ones anyone knows anymore. Kids don't read the backs of cards and study stats and learn the history. They know the names by what we say or what is mentioned in passing. My son (10 yrs. old) has a phenominal modern card collection and barely knows who plays for who or at what position. That's my fault I guess but I can't force him to learn, he has to want to himself.
Sorry for the rant, that's just my opinion.