OT: McGwire finally comes clean

rdwyer · #1 01-11-2010, 07:55 PM

Oh, I get it. It was a Cardinal sin, right?

PolarBear · #2 01-11-2010, 09:31 PM

When I read the article on SI, my first thought was that with another HOF shutout, he's trying to make people think he's sorry, and worthy of the HOF.

yawie99 · #3 01-11-2010, 09:46 PM

I suspect McGwire is not so much attempting to enhance his Hall of Fame chances, which I think he essentially doomed with that pathetic showing on Capitol Hill a few years ago, but trying to minimize the circus atmosphere that was sure to develop once he returned to the Cardinals' bench. I don't know if the club or LaRussa encouraged him to finally speak today or if he did it entirely on his own, but it just seems too late to this Cardinal fan.

mintacular · #4 01-11-2010, 09:49 PM

To hell with McGwire. His only asset was his ability to hit homers and pick up his doughnut of a son. At least Bonds was an all-around great player and was HOF bound with or without his (alleged) use of steroids...

Abravefan11 · #5 01-11-2010, 10:03 PM

I agree with Steve that any shot he had at the HOF died on Capitol Hill.

He wants to get back into baseball and someone sat him down and told him this will not go away. So he's doing what he should have done a long time ago and though it may be too late for the HOF, it will allow him to get back into the game and eventually just do his job.

#6 01-11-2010, 10:11 PM

I guess its time to buy some of his cards. May go down like the Black Sox's scandal or Rose. They seem to go down well after several decades of being honest or caught in something. Maybe a good investment even though now its is bad one. Aren't there quite a few incodences where something major in MLB occured and after a while people forget or disconclude the issue when the next big thing happens and all is better and the prices shoot back up

calvindog · #7 01-11-2010, 10:17 PM

He's a victim. He didn't take the steroids for strength purposes. God. It's his lawyers' fault.

Now when will that other ignoramus Sosa sort of confess?

rhettyeakley · #8 01-11-2010, 10:27 PM

I don't condone it as it is really terrible to have done them in the first place, however, at least it didn't take him 25 years to do it (a la Rose). Also, I don't think anyone gave ARod a free pass on anything as he was pretty much crucified when it came out.

I am all for people admitting when they have done something wrong, whether it is sincere or not. So, while I still don't think any more highly of McGwire now than I did before I also don't think any less of him than I did before because at least he is coming clean about it now (something not too many others have proven they are willing to do). I would like this to start a trend so that at least the record can be set straight, but I'm not holding my breath.

-Rhett

Edited to add: I never really thought much of McGwire in the first place so here I am still not thinking highly of the guy.

BlueDevil89 · #9 01-11-2010, 09:49 PM

It's all part of the plan to rehabilitate his reputation. Those who come clean get a pass (A-Rod, Pettitte, etc). Those who lied get denied HOF votes. Tony Larussa is trying to guide Mac back into the good graces of baseball. There's no sincerity, it's all just PR.

[If Mac had been elected into the HOF last week, do you think this announcement is ever made?]

ctownboy · #10 01-11-2010, 11:12 PM

Oh, for those who say my suggestion about punishment for cheating is a double standard (Gaylord Perry using the Spit Ball and being elected to the Hall of Fame), think about this, the Spit Ball is NOT criminally illegal to use.

Also, did Perry use the Spit Ball EVERY pitch he threw in the Majors? No. However, EVERY Pitcher who used steroids was aided with every pitch they threw. So even if Perry threw 10 or 20 Spit Balls a Game, he was NOT aided as much as Pettite or, allegedly, Clemens, for example, because EVERY pitch they threw was, in effect, illegal.

David

Rickyy · #11 01-12-2010, 01:56 AM

He came clean well not really - can't believe he said he would have hit homeruns without taking steroids.. that kind of ruined any sense of credebility right there...

I hope LaRussa knows what he's doing...hiring Big Mac as a hitting instructor could be a season long distraction...for him and his team...and he's already tightly wound.

ctownboy · #12 01-12-2010, 02:03 AM

Rickyy,

Guys like McGwire would have still hit Home Runs and probably led the league but they wouldn't have hit so many. That is because the pitchers wouldn't be throwing so hard and the hitters wouldn't be as strong and wouldn't be able to get the bat through the hitting zone as quick.

So instead of Home Runs, guys would be either be hitting more fly ball Outs or foul balls.

David

ChiefBenderForever · #13 01-12-2010, 02:47 AM

The tears were a nice touch.

Buythatcard · #14 01-12-2010, 06:07 AM

As far as I am concerned, asterisk or no asterisk, Roger Maris still holds the record for the most home runs in a season by a non steroid user.

keithsky · #15 01-12-2010, 07:16 AM

What's sad to me is out of the top 10 home run hitters 4 are acussed of steriods. Mcgwire, A-Rod, Sosa, and Bonds. I don't think Griffey did them but if he was ever found to use them that would be half of the top 10. If that doesn't deserve and asterik nothing does

insidethewrapper · #16 01-12-2010, 08:52 AM

McGwire is a cheater like all the rest. He took steroids so he could play more games and this increased his home run total. Without steroids we would be looking at a Dave Kingman career (good but not HOF).

Jim VB · #17 01-12-2010, 07:18 AM

I find the McGwire discussion a little silly. I wouldn't vote him into the HOF. Period. Not because he used steroids. But because he's a lifetime .260 hitter. I would also not vote for Jose Canseco or Dave Kingman. They were purely one dimensional players and not HOFers in my book.

Abravefan11 · #18 01-12-2010, 07:54 AM

Jim - I think that's the best point made in the thread so far.

bobafett72 · #19 01-13-2010, 12:24 PM

Unless he's sniffing at the enshrined jockstraps of previous hall of famers.
He, bonds, Sosa, Arod, Palmeiro. Strip them of their "records" and accomplishments and show them the door. the back door.

Frank A · #20 01-13-2010, 12:44 PM

The only guy who seems to have not lied about all this is Canseco. Funny, I thought he was a blowhard, but he seems to be the only one who tells the truth. Maybe he should be in the hall for exposing all these guys.(just kidding)

Robextend · #21 01-13-2010, 12:59 PM

It is funny that it seems a lot of what Canseco said has been validated.

Are we now waiting for a Bret Boone press conference?

PolarBear · #22 01-13-2010, 01:58 PM

The HOF could have a special steroids era syringe display right next to Geadel's shirt.

keithsky · #23 01-13-2010, 02:58 PM

Maybe they should put Canseco in the HOF for bringing all the riods out in the forfront and exposing this thing in his books. Otherwise MLB won't have done anything.

Chris-Counts · #24 01-13-2010, 03:05 PM

Now that McGuire has "come clean," do you believe him that Tony LaRussa didn't know about his steroid use? I certainly don't. And there's no way Bud Selig can claim ignorance here either. Yet mark my words, at some point in the not so distant future, both LaRussa and Selig will be on Hall of Fame ballots ...

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