5 Tool Player

[fkw]

For his Era..... Honus Wagner was a 5 tool player.
He is 10th All Time in SB's

Bonds and Mays are in their Own League stat wise, but Bonds arm died long ago though.

After looking at a list of top SB's...
Others to consider... (not all HOFers)....... Morgan, ARod, Yount, Soriano, Winfield, etc.

[Jewish-collector]

I think Mantle before he had his injuries, Willie Mays, Clemente, and Frank Robinson.

How much better was Mays than Clemente ? Not THAT much.

[mannybb24]

Norman "Turkey" Stearnes

One of the best defensive outfielders in Negro League history.
Throw in a .350 career avg.
Top 10 in steals
and oh yeah by the way, Turkey is the all-time home run leader.

[thekingofclout]

Poor Man's Willie Mays.

A Five Tool Player is one who can Hit, Hit with Power, Run, Field, and Throw.

Running and Speed aren't always the same thing.

When HOF manager Joe McCarthy was asked who was the best base runner he ever saw. He answered the question with a question: "Would it surprise you if I said DiMaggio?" He said he never once saw the Clipper make a mistake on the bases and had no equal going from first to third. Joe also had perfected the hook-slide so much so that several decades later no one has ever approached Joe's skill.

DiMag gets my vote.

BTW... Bonds couldn't throw hard enough to break a window! You mean to tell me you guys don't remember SID BREAM?! The Bucs lost a pennant because BARRY couldn't throw out Bream from deep shortstop!

NOTE: In '91 Bream, who had to be on the wrong side of 250 pounds, was also OH for THREE in Stolen Base Attempts for the WHOLE season.

So I'll give Bonds 4 out of 5 but let's get it straight, he was no DiMaggio.

Being a lifetime Halo fan, I also gave Barry an assist for our lone Title, as he was once again playing deep shortstop, this time with Home Run Champ (47 in 2000) Troy Glaus at bat in game seven with the go ahead runner on base (BTW...Glaus had gone yard 118 times from 2000-2002).

My first reaction when Glaus hit the ball is it was a deep fly to left/left center and was bummed until I saw Barry lumbering back, back, back, as the ball floated over his head. Bonds was certainly afraid history would repeat itself and expose his glaring weakness, but Glaus just missed the pitch and Barry couldn't run it down from his shortstop position. Thank you Sir! May I have another!

[Chris-Counts]

Jimmy, I agree with you about Vada Pinson. If he played in another era, his batting average probably would have been high enough to merit serious Hall of Fame consideration, but the 1960s were dominated by pitchers (Personally, I think he's worthy regardless). I grew up just a few miles from Anaheim Stadium, and I was about 11 when the Halos acquired Vada. Even though he was past his prime, I was in awe of him. He was such a graceful ballplayer. A friend of mine who grew up in Cincinnati recalled that he moved like a cat in the outfield ...

[Robextend]

I'm not sure if this name was said, but how about Larry Walker? Sure he had an injury filled career and played in Colorado, but he absolutely had all the tools.

[howard38]

If SB % is to be used to judge Sid Bream's speed it should be noted that the slide was actually in the '92 playoffs and that year he was six for six when attempting a steal. Clearly a speedster : )

[Robextend]

Originally Posted by fkw

For his Era..... Honus Wagner was a 5 tool player.
He is 10th All Time in SB's

Bonds and Mays are in their Own League stat wise, but Bonds arm died long ago though.

After looking at a list of top SB's...
Others to consider... (not all HOFers)....... Morgan, ARod, Yount, Soriano, Winfield, etc.

Not a bad group there, but as a Yankee lifer I can safely say that Alfonso Soriano is a bad defensive player and I don't think that can be argued!