W600 Signed Cy Young - Now Authentic?

[canjond]

Also, in terms of JSA having exemplars, either they didn't, or Goodwin "inflated" the isting by saying:

"perhaps NO other Cy Young signatures carry the virtually impossible “D.T.” initials. At the risk of “skipping a beat”, we are still trying to assess the magnitude of finding a “D.T.” young autograph on what may be his rarest card in existence."

Clearly the text of the auction makes it seem as though JSA didn't have any DT exemplars or didn't inform Goodwin that they did.

[bigfish]

Everyone likes to assume the worst and is an expert on D.T. Young's auto. Nothing new here. Would JSA put their reputation on the line without extensive research? No. That would be foolish. There are other examples out there as Rhett stated earlier. D.T. Young also can be found on Young's return address on envelopes mailed early in his playing days. They can be found on the web...Google It


Jon C
Edited to say I assume the Goodwin write-up indicates that this is the only signed D.T. Young card known. That makes sense to me. Maybe there was another signed cabinet as Rhett stated but I assume there is no recorded sale to reference.

[jbsports33]

T206collector said it best, it really depends on the comfort level of the buyer, sure autographs certified are educated opinions - but like a few of the members said JSA or PSA would not determine any signature without some kind of research. They have the experience and history to make collectors feel better about their purchase. I hope that is what all of us do with signatures or anything else we buy in the hobby is to conduct the proper research, especially with an item like we are discussing.

Jimmy

[rhettyeakley]

Toby, I'm sure you meant to write Scott and not Rhett in your last comment.
-Rhett

[Bicem]

there's no way to know if it's legit or not so really the only question is how much faith do you put in JSA's opinion. Personally, I put very little but again, that's just me.

[calvindog]

Maybe Sal Bando signed it instead?

[Rob D.]

Jeff, that would be foolish.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Bicem

there's no way to know if it's legit or not so really the only question is how much faith do you put in JSA's opinion. Personally, I put very little but again, that's just me.

Actually, I think the main question is whether the resale value of JSA-authenticated autographs will continue to support the final sale price of the Young for the duration of the ownership of the card; and, if not, whether PSA-DNA or the next hobby-accepted autograph authenticator will authenticate it.

[T206Collector]

I think Rob Lifson's explanation for authenticating autographs and why REA uses JSA is worth a read for anyone who is interested in collecting signatures that they did not obtain themselves. You can read it here:

http://blog.robertedwardauctions.com/?p=83

I specifically found the reason they use JSA as informative, and have pasted that section below:

At REA, we utilize the services of James Spence Authentications (JSA) to review all signed items. We think very highly of their service. This doesn’t mean that all other autograph authentication services are not good. This is what we have chosen to do because we believe that JSA offers the best authentication service in the business. That doesn’t mean that they are perfect, that they have never made a mistake, or that their opinion could not change on a given item. Some other services and individuals may be very good at providing authentication services. We find that almost 100% of the time (not 100%, but almost 100%) that if a signed item is consigned to REA with a letter from certain companies (such as PSA) or certain individuals, that JSA has the same opinion. We also find that when items are consigned with letters from certain other individuals and companies, approximately 100% of the time JSA is not OK with these items. Obviously, this is not a coincidence. Statistically, that would be impossible. When a signed item is consigned that is already accompanied by a letter of authenticity, the item and letter are separated by us before being presented to JSA for review. At REA, JSA has no idea if an item has previously been reviewed by any other service before being presented with the item authentication review. We have even had cases (very rare, but it has happened) when JSA has told us they are not comfortable writing a letter on an item previously authenticated by JSA. This is very rare but knowledge increases over time, and opinions can sometimes change over time.

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Actually, I think the main question is whether the resale value of JSA-authenticated autographs will continue to support the final sale price of the Young for the duration of the ownership of the card; and, if not, whether PSA-DNA or the next hobby-accepted autograph authenticator will authenticate it.

true, who cares if it's real or not as long as the resale value is there and PSA-DNA is accepted by the hobby.