Sniping

iggyman · #1 01-26-2010, 05:44 PM

Should the snipe tool be built right into the bidding menu???

Grand Slam is basically endorsing sniping by having the snipe tool so "embedded" into its software. Fantastic for a buyer but a bit aggravating for a seller (or at least nerve rattling). At the end of the day, I'm not sure that is so great for both the auction house and the seller. So how about putting some "pizazz" into the "snipe" tool?

For instance, letting both the seller and bidder know that a snipe was placed on an item. Heck, a counter with the number of unique snipes on an item would be cool and exciting. This would give the current bidder and potential sniper something to think about. Plus, give the seller some hope (perhaps false hope, but so be it....). Only problem is competition and the techie dudes.

When "Grand Slam" starts to become more successful, some of the current snipe programs (GavelSnipe, etc.) will want to get into the act. Grand Slam would not have access to bids from other snipe software and could not include that data into its "snipe counter" feature. Thus, although not a perfect system, a "snipe counter" would at least level the playing field a little bit between the buyer and seller, and in the process make bidding a little bit more exciting.

Lovely Day...

Matt · #2 01-26-2010, 05:47 PM

Currently, the seller does have a counter showing if any snipes are scheduled. Obviously he can't see the amounts. That was done exactly to avoid the issue you raised of sellers being nervous due to increased ease of sniping.

iggyman · #3 01-26-2010, 06:05 PM

That is great, but what is wrong with letting everybody else see that a snipe was set?

Leon · #4 01-26-2010, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by iggyman

That is great, but what is wrong with letting everybody else see that a snipe was set?

Matt and I will have to discuss this. At first thought I would think we would only want the seller to see that a snipe has been set. I am thinking it's one of those "need to know" things. Again, Matt and I will discuss this. As I have said all along we want to make it as good for everyone as possible but it won't be perfect, as one person's perfect is not anothers.

Also, I like the suggestion about moving the snipe button and Matt and I will discuss that too. Keep the feedback coming. It helps validate what Matt and I are doing and helps us to make changes for the good of the community. We appreciate it very much!!

#5 01-26-2010, 09:33 PM

Just my 2 cents worth but if you let the buyer(s) see there is a snipe on a item already it may pursuade them to not put one up or bid in thought that it may not matter. If we "the sellers" are the only to see if there is a snipe it makes us happy to know that there is going to be some final biding in the end as well as atleast 1 or more bids are going to come in forcing the price up therefore making me Happier and I am sure Matt and Leon are going to be happier as they get a better # in the end.

Buyers seeing snipes-- NO

Sellers -- Yes

This is just my rambling opinion and if it helps great, if not I don't know

timzcardz · #6 01-27-2010, 05:52 AM

Built in snipe feature is a plus. I have never used a sniping service because in all honesty I am not going to trust someone else, especially someone that I don't know, with access to my login information.

As for a snipe counter for buyers or sellers, I would consider that information privileged and no one but the sniper should know that a snipe has been scheduled. Other bidders have no need to know, nor do sellers. Sellers being happy to know that there will be more bids is not a need, plus I do believe that it creates an added incentive to those tempted to shill, knowing that there are more bids scheduled.

Matt · #7 01-27-2010, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by timzcardz

As for a snipe counter for buyers or sellers, I would consider that information privileged and no one but the sniper should know that a snipe has been scheduled. Other bidders have no need to know, nor do sellers. Sellers being happy to know that there will be more bids is not a need, plus I do believe that it creates an added incentive to those tempted to shill, knowing that there are more bids scheduled.

Tim - thanks for the feedback. Our thinking is as follows - with the integration of sniping, there is an increased likelihood people will use it, which is going to make sellers nervous when they see their item isn't being bid up as much. Because of that we felt it important to indicate to the seller that snipe bids have been scheduled so they know there are indeed more bids expected on their item. Obviously we thought about shilling implications, but since the seller can't see the snipe bid amount, he doesn't know if the snipe is anything more then the next bid increment, so he can't really use the information to shill. Furthermore, a user can cancel his snipe bid anytime.

thegashousegang · #8 01-27-2010, 10:53 AM

I agree that the built-in sniping is a nice new feature for everyone. Buyers should not be allowed to see if there are other snipes set. Sellers should be able to see them - the number of snipes, and definitely NOT the amount. As noted in a previous post, having the seller see the amount will only lead to shill bids.

timzcardz · #9 01-27-2010, 12:08 PM

If a snipe bid is set, and then the bidding exceeds the set snipe price, at that time does the scheduled snipe get automatically cancelled because it is now useless, and no longer shows up in a snipe counter to a seller?

Or does it remain in effect, in the unlikely event that a bid is retracted perhaps thereby making the snipe viable once again?

Matt · #10 01-27-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by timzcardz

If a snipe bid is set, and then the bidding exceeds the set snipe price, at that time does the scheduled snipe get automatically cancelled because it is now useless, and no longer shows up in a snipe counter to a seller?

Or does it remain in effect, in the unlikely event that a bid is retracted perhaps thereby making the snipe viable once again?

Currently, when your snipe amount is exceeded by an actual bid, it is removed. We're aware of that and have plans to change it so your snipe stays even when outbid.

deadballera · #11 01-27-2010, 04:26 PM

I placed a snipe bid on an item even though I was high bidder on the E102 card.

My original high bid was the winning bid...but when the snipe bid was placed, the new high was the winning bid amount. No other bids were placed

that does not make sense. Seems like a corrections should be made.

Matt · #12 01-27-2010, 04:47 PM

should be fixed now.

albrshbr · #13 01-27-2010, 04:52 PM

Although I rarely use snipes, I like the feature being added to the site. You don't have to worry about sharing your info with someone else.

Sellers should know snipes are set, buyers should not.

JamesGallo · #14 02-01-2010, 09:28 AM

I like the way the snipe feature is set up and that the seller sees it and the buyer doesn't. Good stuff.

James G

Leon · #15 02-01-2010, 10:29 AM

Great feedback guys. The sniping was something that Matt and I felt strongly about and the site has to have it. One debate we are still having (and we are leaning towards only buyers seeing if snipes are set) is the positioning of the snipe button, itself. I sort of think it's a little "too" in your face, and think it could be better somewhere that is not "right there" next to the bid button. Any thoughts on that?

GoldenAge50s · #16 02-01-2010, 01:10 PM

I agree the snipe button, or area, should be moved! As a seller I would prefer to see BIDS encouraged!

What is the thinking behind only having buyers see snipes & not sellers?

As a seller, I would feel much better knowing that a snipe or two is set if I don't have early bids---would be much more likely not to end an auction early.
On the other hand, showing Buyers that a couple of snipes are set may make them say "What's the use"?

Am I wrong in that thinking?

Matt · #17 02-01-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenAge50s

I agree the snipe button, or area, should be moved! As a seller I would prefer to see BIDS encouraged!

What is the thinking behind only having buyers see snipes & not sellers?

As a seller, I would feel much better knowing that a snipe or two is set if I don't have early bids---would be much more likely not to end an auction early.
On the other hand, showing Buyers that a couple of snipes are set may make them say "What's the use"?

Am I wrong in that thinking?

Fred - Leon mis-typed - only sellers can see how many snipes are set (and of course, not the snipe amounts). We felt providing that to the sellers would put them more at ease as with sniping being integrated, more people will use it. On the one hand, more people will be using sniping, on the other hand, sellers get to know some snipes are coming in, which they've never been able to tell before.

Leon · #18 02-01-2010, 08:45 PM

Woops, I typed the opposite of what we are thinking.

Of course we are leaning towards only having the sellers see the snipes. If there are a few set then that could be good and might prevent a few ended early auctions.....the other thing is that sometimes I will wait till the end and manually bid...so just because there is only 1-2 snipes, or even less, doesn't mean it won't sell and have mulitple bids at the end. You only really know when the auction is over. regards