W600 Signed Cy Young - Now Authentic?

T206Collector · #1 01-27-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Well, that's it in a nutshell. If a card is trimmed but makes it into a graded holder, everything is cool.

Jeff put it a bit cynically, but I believe this actually does reflect the state of the hobby. And, I believe that the potential for trimming, even in slabs, affects the market value of cards in a way that is similar to the potential for authenticated forgeries. The risk is built into the price.

Put another way, before I'd spend crazy money on a PSA graded card with minty sharp corners, I'd want at least one other market-accepted expert to look at it first (i.e., SGC). It's the same way for me and autographs, albeit it with higher risk associated with forgeries.

I always assume that PSA and SGC and JSA and PSA-DNA will be defunct or unaccepted by the hobby in 30 years from now (or quite probably much sooner). One had better have a safety net if you are considering selling these little treasures beyond the expected lifetime of any of these companies. For the time being, that means having your best cards/autographs dual-graded or dual-authenticated, which I actually do.

Bicem · #2 01-27-2010, 10:51 AM

agreed, the faith that people put into grading is almost as crazy as auto authentication.

T206Collector · #3 01-27-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bicem

agreed, the faith that people put into grading is almost as crazy as auto authentication.

The way I look at it, the highest bidder on that Cy Young will be the bidder who was willing to accept the most risk that the item isn't real. But at every price level, every autograph that is sold carries risk with it. If you are not interested in making leaps of faith, both small and large, then autograph collecting isn't for you.

rman444 · #4 01-27-2010, 01:03 PM

If SGC makes a mistake and holders a bad card, I believe that they make good on the purchase price of that card. I wonder if JSA would have the same type of money back guarantee for their authentication of this Young?

slidekellyslide · #5 01-27-2010, 01:17 PM

Does Goodwin think the W600 Young is rarer than the 1893 Just So?

Matt · #6 02-02-2010, 02:20 PM

If I recall, JSA divorced from SGC well before he issued this cert# - does anyone know if you can now submit JSA certs to SGC and have them slabbed with the cert on the flip like this?

doug.goodman · #7 02-02-2010, 04:49 PM

I stopped collecting autographs when the players started writing like hurried doctors, and I'm quite handy with a kitchen knife in removing cards from slabs, but I have a comment that may have a bit of relevance -

I work for a fairly popular band. They get asked for their autographs frequently. Every night I have them sign some posters from that nights show for the local promoter. If they sign 10 posters, two of the guys will have pretty much the same signature 10 times, but the 3rd guy's signature will vary widely enough that if I sorted them likeness, I would probably have 4 groups.

Two of the guys have a completely different signature for legal documents, and have been known, on occasion, to sign the wrong version.

My point is that if Cy Young tended to use DT Young in some situations, he could very easily have signed the W600 in that way. After an entertainer has signed their name as many times as my employers have, or Cy Young did, they have very little regard for the act of signing. He may have been asked to sign the W600 by the clerk who was checking him in at a hotel, so signed both the registry and card in quick succession.

Doug

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