Cobb/Edwards and the T206 Honus Wagner

glynparson · #1 02-10-2010, 05:03 PM

I have no reason to question Brian Wentz's statement in the book. They are trying to rip someone off plain and simple. And if you can't tell that cards fake in less then 10 seconds I question wether you should be buying T206 cards. The card is not even close besides all the things Barry mentioned the print is the wrong color on the front, it has been artifically aged, and the cropping of the photo is off. This thing is NOT EVEN CLOSE. They have been given enough evidence that this thing is fake so if they are still trying to huckster it they are thieves. By the way I have talked to these buffons at one my previous jobs. So yes I can call them idiots from my experiences with them, and it has absolutely zero to do with race.

glynparson · #2 02-10-2010, 05:06 PM

The font is wrong size and color and how do you explain that the photo on the card is cropped different. Do you know these gentlemen if so have them sue me for calling there card a FAKE.

Brian-Chidester · #3 02-10-2010, 05:18 PM

Glyn... I don't known them, and I don't understand why you and others keep trying to make this personal. It's as if you are above someone asking you a question.

If it is simply that you are sick of talking about this particular card, by all means, walk away from the keyboard. No one is making you write anything.

This is the first time that I have even seen the card. I've only read about it before.

ctownboy · #4 02-10-2010, 05:20 PM

Brian C,

If the card were a REAL and ORIGINAL T206 Honus Wagner, the two scam artists would have had it graded and sold by now.

Look, if I were lucky enough to find a REAL T206 Wagner and were lucky enough to buy it for $1,500 dollars, I would CERTAINLY have it graded. I would do so even if I did NOT have the money and had to borrow from somebody.

As far as not trusting people, I would ALSO borrow the money neccessary to fly to wherever the grading company I chose was located and hand deliver it to them and wait while it was graded.

Since these two clowns are NOT card collectors, WHY don't they do the above and sell the card? What are they waiting for? It seems that some of their jobs is to buy "junk" and turn around and sell it. If they could get $150,000 (or more) in a relatively short amount of time (on a $1,500 "investment") then WHY don't they do it ESPECIALLY in a BAD economy?

The answer is becaues they KNOW the card is a fake and they enjoy the publicity they are getting and being a "victim". If they like the publicity they have gotten so far just think what it would be like if they told their story and it ended up with them being rewarded with a huge pay out in the end?

rman444 · #5 02-10-2010, 05:21 PM

Here is the HBO video. Cobb says that he found the card at an estate sale in 1984 and it was priced at $2500. Cobb only had $1800 in his pocket and made the offer. He did not know who Honus Wagner was at the time he purchased the card.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/st...ction=magazine

drc · #6 02-10-2010, 05:29 PM

For the record, this board as well as the PSA board made judgment on the card before the race or sex of the owners was known. It wasn’t until later on that their pictures appeared in a newspaper article and people learned the colors of their skin.

calvindog · #7 02-10-2010, 05:30 PM

Another freaking racist. Man, this board....

barrysloate · #8 02-10-2010, 05:33 PM

The reason that Cobb and Edwards are disliked by this board is because they are black...oops, that's not it. Start again.

What I meant to say is their demeanor towards members of Net54 was really bad. Instead of coming over here and respecting the accumulated knowledge of all the veteran hobbyists, they stubbornly refused to listen to anything we had to say. They felt they knew more than all of us combined. So they rubbed everybody the wrong way.

Brian-Chidester · #9 02-10-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

The reason that Cobb and Edwards are disliked by this board is because they are black...oops, that's not it. Start again.

What I meant to say is their demeanor towards members of Net54 was really bad. Instead of coming over here and respecting the accumulated knowledge of all the veteran hobbyists, they stubbornly refused to listen to anything we had to say. They felt they knew more than all of us combined. So they rubbed everybody the wrong way.

I'm starting to feel like I did the same thing, though by no means was I interested in anything but facts about the dimension, color, font, design and aging of the card. Sorry if feathers were rankled.

glynparson · #10 02-10-2010, 05:36 PM

I take this personally as I do shill bidding and card doctors because iIsell sports cards for a living. People like these two give the hobby a bad name and help people like Mr. O'keefe paint the hobby, that I love, in a bad light and that does fire me up. So yes I take it personally because it could have an effect on how i put food on the table and support my wife and daughter and I take that very seriously.

Brian-Chidester · #11 02-10-2010, 05:40 PM

Regardless, O'Keefe didn't paint them as anything but what they really were. Should he not investigate a hotly debated specimen of the very card he was writing a book about?

And furthermore, is your hobby above reproach? His book highlighted some major discrepencies in the industry, particularly with regards to high-end memorabilia and grading services, and whether you are a card seller (like yourself), or have invested time, money and energy into collecting (like myself), no one is above these questions.

O'Keefe did the hobby a service, in my opinion.

calvindog · #12 02-10-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

I take this personally as I do shill bidding and card doctors because iIsell sports cards for a living. People like these two give the hobby a bad name and help people like Mr. O'keefe paint the hobby, that I love, in a bad light and that does fire me up. So yes I take it personally because it could have an effect on how i put food on the table and support my wife and daughter and I take that very seriously.

Glyn, Mike O'Keeffe didn't need any help in painting the business of this hobby in a bad light. Remember, the hobby is good, the scum that infest the hobby are bad.