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02-10-2010, 05:30 PM
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Another freaking racist. Man, this board....
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02-10-2010, 05:33 PM
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The reason that Cobb and Edwards are disliked by this board is because they are black...oops, that's not it. Start again.
What I meant to say is their demeanor towards members of Net54 was really bad. Instead of coming over here and respecting the accumulated knowledge of all the veteran hobbyists, they stubbornly refused to listen to anything we had to say. They felt they knew more than all of us combined. So they rubbed everybody the wrong way. Last edited by barrysloate; 02-10-2010 at 05:34 PM.
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02-10-2010, 05:35 PM
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02-10-2010, 05:36 PM
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I take it personally
I take this personally as I do shill bidding and card doctors because iIsell sports cards for a living. People like these two give the hobby a bad name and help people like Mr. O'keefe paint the hobby, that I love, in a bad light and that does fire me up. So yes I take it personally because it could have an effect on how i put food on the table and support my wife and daughter and I take that very seriously.
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02-10-2010, 05:40 PM
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Regardless, O'Keefe didn't paint them as anything but what they really were. Should he not investigate a hotly debated specimen of the very card he was writing a book about?
And furthermore, is your hobby above reproach? His book highlighted some major discrepencies in the industry, particularly with regards to high-end memorabilia and grading services, and whether you are a card seller (like yourself), or have invested time, money and energy into collecting (like myself), no one is above these questions. O'Keefe did the hobby a service, in my opinion.
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02-10-2010, 05:46 PM
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02-10-2010, 05:49 PM
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He didn't paint the whole hobby as bad anyway. Plenty of praise was heaped upon the integrity of Rob Lifson, Michael Gidwitz and others. His general disdain seemed to be aimed at Bill Mastro, cunning and charming though he may be. As far as I could see, O'Keefe's second biggest issue was with the whole industry of grading, and he outlined his take on it with plenty of facts and quotes from all sides.
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02-10-2010, 05:54 PM
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Jeff, I was referring to those idiots angering me not o'Keefe except in his legitimizing them. And Brian that is my point GO after the bad guys like Bill Mastro by putting in the junk about those to bozos he took credibilty away from what he was saying about the mastro card which is what the book was supposed to be about. the book was supposed to be the story of the PSa 8 Wagner and how it was made. If it were just an expose on the hobby as a whole you could argue those two goofballs story may belong. But it did not belong in a story about how Bill mastro trimmed a card and made it the most famous and valuable in the world.
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02-10-2010, 05:59 PM
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Glyn,
While I partially agree, I think part of writing a good story is giving background on the nature of Mastro's card, which means, explaining what T206 is, who Honus Wagner was, the history of the PSA 8 specimen, the history of PSA as an organization, the bio of each person who bought the 8, and yes, why not cover a potential scam of the same card? I think it showed further how the grading companies operate and the mania surrounding this card. Again, I wasn't trying to rankle anyone's feathers today. It looked fake to me at first glance, but having just seen it a few hours ago, I thought I'd play devil's advocate and give it the full go-round. If anyone wishes to see the reprint that I have posted next to the Cobb/Edwards, I'd be happy to post it, just need to know how to do that.
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02-10-2010, 06:05 PM
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If you want to go after the grading companies
There are many legitimate things to go after with the grading companies and many people they made very rich by slabbing altered material for them. why put in a b.s. chapter about two crooks again it cuts into his credibility because these 2 guys have none.
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02-10-2010, 06:08 PM
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By the way
You have proven my point, he legitimized them in your eyes and confused you on the story. PSA and SGC did not grade the card because it was fake. DSL, Bill Mastro, Bill Goodwin, Gary Moser, Anyone who submits that card gets the exact same results period.
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