E90-1 "shaded" back variations?

[bijoem]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

many times a Print defect can be considered a variation, especially when they only appear on certain cards....

I consider 'print defect' and 'variation' two distinct things.

not sure how the rest of the hobby views the issue - but that is my 2 cents.

[ScottFandango]

what do you consider the white letter mantle?

[bijoem]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

what do you consider the white letter mantle?

I can honestly say - I am not familiar with the card.
Other than a brief dabble into the era many years ago (I have a 69 deckle edge set, and a 68 game set, and at one time I purchased some 52 topps commons)...Mantle is way beyond the years I collect.

I don't think I purchased a card from the 50s or 60s in about 25 years or so.

So - the answer is... I have no idea.

But.....
to me it comes down to intent.....
so - if the card company intended to make a change (not just sloppy printing) - I would call it a variation.

[barrysloate]

Mantle was not the only white letter variation in 1969, there were numerous players whose previously yellow names appeared white. Were all these players part of the same sheet? If so, it may just be an inking error. If they appeared in different series, then it was probably a deliberate variation. Unfortunately, I don't remember which players have the white letter variation.

[bijoem]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Mantle was not the only white letter variation in 1969, there were numerous players whose previously yellow names appeared white. Were all these players part of the same sheet? If so, it may just be an inking error. If they appeared in different series, then it was probably a deliberate variation. Unfortunately, I don't remember which players have the white letter variation.

Barry - if there is yellow still on the card somewhere else.... it would indicate an intentional change and not an inking problem.

basically if the yellow is truly missing from the card - it would be missing everywhere not just in one spot (like Jeff's White Chase).

Again... not knowing the card - if there is yellow on the card somewhere else, I would call the 'white letter' a variation.

The e90-1 difference shown in this thread most definitely could be achieved through bad printing / print defect. Taking yellow out of a name but leaving it everywhere else would have to happen with some intent or active effort on someone's part.

[barrysloate]

Joe- absolutely correct, and that is what I was trying to figure out. That's why I asked whether all the white variations were on the same sheet. Then again, all 132 cards would have to be white, and they aren't.

[ScottFandango]

the name is not important...

if there is a difference in the back, there is a difference in the back...

when only certain players have the "difference", it needs to be noted ...

especially it needs to be noted by TPG's labels...