1970 Dayton Daily News M137

[Rich Klein]

The Dayton Daily News Items were considered part of the hobby in the mid 1970's. I could have sworn (I've been known to be wrong) that those items were catalogued as early as the 1st Sports Collectors Bible (c. 1975)

The other items; although similiar; were not included and it took for later generations to realize the similiarites.

And yes, Bob is correct; with the drain of manpower at both Krause (F&W) and Beckett, more and more items which may be borderline won't be catalogued and that's a legit issue of the "corporates" running hobby publications. Hobby people figured if you broke even and kept adding to data bases you were fine; corporates want the profit wherever they can. Neither side is wrong, but in a sense the hobby loses when option #2 is the one that is chosen.

Rich

[Bob Lemke]

When I joined Krause Publications in 1974, the company was run by two genuine coin collectors (Chet Krause and Cliff Mishler). While they did what was necessary to keep the lights on and maintain some modest growth, they also realized the value of investing in periodicals and, especially, reference catalogs that would assist the long-term growth of the hobby.

While some book titles and periodicals were home run right out of the gate, others were a drain on cash for many years but were subsidized "for the good of the hobby."

When non-collectors got control of the company the emphasis swtiched to polishing up the bottom line to attract the next higher-buyer.

I guess that's the way of the (business) world.

[paul]

I think one reason they were originally catalogued as cards is because they say "card" right on them. Kind of silly, but I would bet that was a huge factor for the writers of the Sports Collectors Bible and whoever else catalogued these.

[sportsinvestments]

Continuing on the discussion of the Dayton Daily News "cards", we just discovered two additional uncatalogued cards(we currently have them up on Ebay if you would like to see them pictured) that were put out in 1980 as a follow-up to the original 1970 set. The Dayton Daily News evidently did not want to continue on with the 160 card set so they agreed in 1980 to print one card per 100 years. So in 1980 they printed a Hank Aaron #3 representing their first 100 years(1880-1980) & the next day printed a David Lopes #998 representing their 2nd 100 years(1980-2080). The next card will be printed in 2080, that is if the Dayton Daily News is still around. Neither of these two cards have ever been discussed or catalogued.
Thanks, Adam

[ALR-bishop]

100 Year Cards....neat. Sort of like the 100 Year War....only it really lasted more than 100 years

[JLange]

Bob, I understand your explanation, and I accept that there are constraints on manpower, pagecount, etc., and I even accept that the catalog needs to find a way to be profitable. That said, I have always thought of the "Big Book" as THE Authority on Baseball Cards, NON-Card Baseball items, and a bunch of other stuff Baseball related. I can't stand to see the decisions to wack one set over another. As far as I'm concerned, if an item was meant to be cut out, saved, and collected, then it should be catalogued. At this point, I would be much more interested in a wikipedia approach where anyone can catalog what they have found, and experts among us can be the gatekeepers of this information. I think people have really come to rely on the information in the Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards as authoritative and comprehensive, or at least striving to be, and when you see sets left out, taken out, or only periodically rotated in, that turns the "Big Book" into just another book. I may be preaching to the choir, and I really respect the fact that you personnaly give life to a lot of these sets in your blog posts and catalog updates where able, but overall I see this as a frustrating topic.

[David W]

Were there variations of these "cards"?

I ask, because a few weeks back Ebay seller Tampabaycards had 2 different Don Gullett cards, both from 1970 I think.

The biography was different and the stats were different.

They can be tough to find, I've been looking for Lou Brock for a long time.

Also, this link says there is a #318 Willie Smith that is uncatalogued.

[stevegarveyfan]

Originally Posted by sportsinvestments

Continuing on the discussion of the Dayton Daily News "cards", we just discovered two additional uncatalogued cards(we currently have them up on Ebay if you would like to see them pictured) that were put out in 1980 as a follow-up to the original 1970 set. The Dayton Daily News evidently did not want to continue on with the 160 card set so they agreed in 1980 to print one card per 100 years. So in 1980 they printed a Hank Aaron #3 representing their first 100 years(1880-1980) & the next day printed a David Lopes #998 representing their 2nd 100 years(1980-2080). The next card will be printed in 2080, that is if the Dayton Daily News is still around. Neither of these two cards have ever been discussed or catalogued.
Thanks, Adam

I'd like to add a little to the 100-year statement above. I have one of the 1980 David Lopes "cards". The text below the card indicates that the Dayton Daily News planned to run a card once every 100 years, but they were clever about it. The next one was not intended to run in 2080; rather, the smart alecks at the paper designated every day as the beginning of a unique 100-year period. I know only of the Aaron and Lopes, but I'm hoping they printed a lot more of these with different players. Not sure they did though.

I'd include a pic of the Lopes card, but I don't know how to upload the pic.

[DaClyde]

Fortunately, the Dayton Daily News is on Newspapers.com, so let's see what we can find.

The Hank Aaron was printed on June 2, 1980, and Lopes June 3. Doesn't look like there were any more.

[raulus]

While I do have one, mostly because it’s a required PSA master set item, I’m not a big fan. Certainly there will always be a question about where you draw the line with all of the different pieces out there. And it’s not always all that obvious whether any given item should be included, when it comes to this piece, it sure seems like this one probably should have been excluded.

[mrmopar]

Can you share an image? Not sure I have seen these?
I absolutely love these newspaper "cards".
Have a wide variety of them and will buy any I can find at decent prices.

Originally Posted by DaClyde

Fortunately, the Dayton Daily News is on Newspapers.com, so let's see what we can find.

The Hank Aaron was printed on June 2, 1980, and Lopes June 3. Doesn't look like there were any more.

[mrmopar]

When you start a post or reply, select the paperclip, then it opens up the other image. Choose image, upload and post the thread and the image should appear:

Originally Posted by stevegarveyfan

I'd like to add a little to the 100-year statement above. I have one of the 1980 David Lopes "cards". The text below the card indicates that the Dayton Daily News planned to run a card once every 100 years, but they were clever about it. The next one was not intended to run in 2080; rather, the smart alecks at the paper designated every day as the beginning of a unique 100-year period. I know only of the Aaron and Lopes, but I'm hoping they printed a lot more of these with different players. Not sure they did though.

I'd include a pic of the Lopes card, but I don't know how to upload the pic.