Coupon Type 1--Notes & Facts

[drdduet]

"If a fellow was handed half a dozen T206s, and half a dozen T213-1s, he could sort them into the two types with his eyes closed. But he couldn't sort the T206s into tobacco brands (except for American Beauty's) without looking at the backs. The cards are.... wait for it.... different."

Good Morning Frank,

But we don't have to do it with our eyes closed. And why couldn't it state "except for American Beauties and Coupon?"

The diversity of all the different T206 brands (AB's width, PB's 'coloring in', EPDG's lack of series notation, etc...) is what makes the set so special.

The theory of holding then in your hand and sorting them blindly--well I not certain that means anything--try it with caramels, blue captioned white borders, post 1956 Topps, etc--I probably could tell a '52 Topps from a '56 Topps that way, but I don't have to, I'm not blind.

All brands of T206 cards are different in one way or another.

[FrankWakefield]

Well it means something to me, drdddd....

If a fella can distinguish one from the other without looking then there must be a bit of a difference, even after you get done telling us how much they're alike.

As for some more similarities for you... both use the English language; both are generally of a portrait perspective, rather than landscape; both depict baseball players exclusively; both have their captions at the bottom... all true of lots of other ballcards, too.

[drdduet]

Hi Frank,

I'm not asking you to agree with me or even see things like I do, so I wouldn't expect you to comment unless its meaningful. Statements like "hogwash" without explanation and your recent rant will only cause friction--not that there is anything wrong with that but it sheds a negative light.

I'm not one for leaving well enough alone--I question everything. There has been a wealth of knowledge gained and documented since Burdick's work and believe the subject warrants attention. You have nothing to lose either way, I have ambition to pursue this and if I find things out along the way, I'll be happy to share.

[FrankWakefield]

I'm ok with that....

You started this out listing all of the way the cards are alike. But when you get done, they're still different. For me, I see that, I can feel that, and I understand why Mr. Burdick listed them separately.

The other thread talks about American Litho printing all of these cards. I've always been on board with that. Sweet Caporal didn't print cards, they distributed them. Ted is dead on trying to convince any who doubts, or mistakenly think otherwise. I think some folks get mislead when someone reads where Sovereign made ball cards, or Piedmont made ball cards. American Litho made the cards.

Lest someone have an epiphany over the fact that Coupon cigarettes were manufactured under the ATC umbrella 1910-1911ish, just like T206s... the gold border and brown border tobacco cards were distributed then, too, under the ATC umbrella, reckon they must be T206s too?

Simply, from looking at a front, some T206s and some T213-1s look identical. For me, the difference in card stock is a significant difference, the quotes instead of a series is a significant difference, the two bunches of cards aren't the same to me at all. And they never will be. The "hogwash" was because the notes and facts weren't complete, but were selective, begging a desired result. Seemed obvious to me.