American Caramel E121 series of 80 survey revisited

[brianp-beme]

As Rhett pointed out, the Type 3 backs are pretty tough to come by, probably more so than the ends in eighty backs. I think, however, that there are more out there unnoticed because of the subtle differences between it and the normal back...you have to be rather font-conscious to notice.

I have listed what I own...if nothing else to aid Rhett in his uncanny pattern deciphering ways.

Bancroft-fielding
Eddie Collins (have both type 3 and regular backs)
Donovan (type 3 and regular)
Frisch
Heilman-running (type 3 and regular)
Judge-batting
Kerr
Vitt


Brian (not type 3, nor regular)

[rhettyeakley]

I have not seen a regular back of each of these Series of 80 players (some probably do exist that way but I have only seen the "ends in eighty" for these guys, I have checklisted roughly 50 guys with this back at this point so I still need some players from the suspected 80 or so they probably produced during that print run...

William Fewster
Miller Huggins
Emil Meusel
Arthur Nehf
Robert Shawkey
Frank Snyder

so, check your E121 Series of 80's and let me know if you have regular backs of these guys (not Type 3 backs).

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Also, here are my Type 3's that I have seen over the years (some of which I own)...

Dave Bancroft (leaping)
Jake Daubert
Charles Deal (light uni)
Urban Faber (White Uniform)
W. L. Gardner
Harry Heilman
Dick Kerr
Bill Killefer (correct, with bat)
Al Mamaux
John McGraw
Jack Quinn
George Ruth (George on front)
Hank Severeid
"Pat" Shea
George Whitted
Ivy B. Wingo
"Pep" Young

[wrapperguy]

Brian,
I have a Causey with an "eighty of the" back. Sorry, my scanner and new Mac do not get along.

[rhettyeakley]

Check your Causey and let us know if the last line on back "Lancaster and York, PENNA." is in the block writing or in the more ornate writing as seen in my earlier scans (Type 1 or Type 3 backs). A scan would be nice.
-Rhett

[wrapperguy]

Also found a Type 3 back for Causey and E. Meusel.

[rhettyeakley]

Jeff, so I am assuming the Causey you mentioned was actually a Type 3 (not a Type 1) as I would have suspected.

This thread is getting pretty exciting because it is confirming a lot of theories that I have long had regarding the E121 set. Timeline is roughly, Regular E121 Series of 80, then came the "ends in eighty" back and the Type 3 back.

I would theorize that the last back (of the 3) produced was the Type 3, as if you look at the next E121 set they made (the Series of 120) it has the same style writing on that last line as the Series of 80 Type 3's--something I immediately suspected when that type was first discovered a few years back when I was looking over my E121's.

Good stuff!
-Rhett