T206 Red Cobb SGC 60/Altered? on eBay

[onlychild]

About the CJ:

"Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it."



Kevin

[teetwoohsix]

Anger management?

[botn]

Here is a 1200 dpi scan of the front and back of the corner of the T206 Cobb SGC 60. SGC calls this a "corner pull" deeming it a legitimate and natural flaw. From the scan of the front you can clearly see a VG-EX naturally aged and worn corner with a donor piece behind it that is EXMT+ to NM. This is the corner which Derek Grady, so I have been told, has examined, not once but twice, and states is "fine."

I don't know about any of you but I have never seen this type of flaw on a card and not sure how such a flaw could occur naturally. Would love to know what Kevin Saucier thinks. Kevin????


Greg

[slidekellyslide]

How do the other corners look? It'd be hard to believe a card could get that much wear only on one corner.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by botn

Here is a 1200 dpi scan of the front and back of the corner of the T206 Cobb SGC 60. SGC calls this a "corner pull" deeming it a legitimate and natural flaw. From the scan of the front you can clearly see a VG-EX naturally aged and worn corner with a donor piece behind it that is EXMT+ to NM. This is the corner which Derek Grady, so I have been told, has examined, not once but twice, and states is "fine."

I don't know about any of you but I have never seen this type of flaw on a card and not sure how such a flaw could occur naturally. Would love to know what Kevin Saucier thinks. Kevin????


Greg

How does someone create a corner like that? Take a piece from a different T206 and use some kind of adhesive to secure onto the Cobb?

[botn]

Well not according to head grader Derek Grady, Wes, but it suffices to say that on the floor of someone's lab is an otherwise NM T206 common with corner envy. Hope they used a Piedmont 350.

Derek and SGC have really outdone themselves this time. To dig in their heels over an alteration which is so obvious shows how unethical and corrupt they really are. On the flip side, without any obligation to do so, Leon and Scott (B-L Auctions) have forced me to take some compensation. SGC should be ashamed but they may too great for that.

[Wesley]

Sorry to hear about this Greg.

I am surprised that SGC will not honor their buy back policy on this one.

[botn]

Well it should be an eye opener for everyone on here. I am sure they have bought back cards however I am not sure under what conditions this would happen. I suppose a card with 5 corners is not obvious enough though.

I am sorry as well that this happened. Not the error of holdering the card but their rigid stance and unwillingness to admit to making the mistake.

[FUBAR]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Anger management?

That quote my friend is from "fast times at Ridgemont High" when they run the guys car into the wall of bricks

[teetwoohsix]

Good one Jim!!

Thanks for providing the high res scans-I would also like to hear what Kevin thinks of this.

Sincerely,Clayton

[slidekellyslide]

It definitely looks like a built up corner that came apart...you'd have to think that the other corners were altered as well right?

[botn]

The other 3 corners are not built up. They are NM or slightly better however I cannot rule out whether or not the card is trimmed on the bottom which would account for the higher grade appearance.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Lol.

[Bamacollection]

Originally Posted by onlychild

About the CJ:

"Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it."



Kevin

Awesome reference...Mr.Spiccoli.

[onlychild]

Prior to bidding I asked Leon, who referred me to Scott, if the corner was creased or bent from the front, as it appeared there was an impression, but it was simply the scan (which is the same scan I am using for my ebay listing). I acknowledged to them I was aware of the corner flaw, and playfully referred to it as a “hanging chad.” Scott examined the corner with a loupe and told me there was no wrinkle or crease, only some wear.

Not placing any blame but IMO I think this may have been where things started to go south. If true, perhaps Scott should have been a little more informative. Based on his skill, knowledge and expertise, if he indeed said there was only some wear, it would have been encouraging news...enough to make a confident and comfortable bid.
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[botn]

Hey Kevin!

That is certainly one point at which this may have been averted however if the card had been assessed properly by SGC then it never would never been holdered so Scott would not have a card to examine. And whether or not he should have recognized something which looked odd, how far does an auction house have to go on authenticating an authenticated item? I don't know the answer myself. Just asking...