Absolutely deplorable actions by a fellow forum member!

[calvindog]

Exactly. Regardless of whether he wins the auction, his actions are dishonest and probably illegal. Taking money for a card of which he doesn't own?

[yawie99]

That listing was sketchy from the outset, but any thread that spawns "UZIT or lose it" can't be all bad.

[Leon]

Just a quick note to say the other mods and I are in discussion about this. We would like to see if Jamie wants to respond in this thread to these accusations? If he does and he convinces us that everything is just fine, then so be it. If he does nothing then we will make the same call as if he is just outright guilty of what is being said. So, here is your chance if you would like to explain, Jamie? best regards

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by Leon

Just a quick note to say the other mods and I are in discussion about this. We would like to see if Jamie wants to respond in this thread to these accusations? If he does and he convinces us that everything is just fine, then so be it. If he does nothing then we will make the same call as if he is just outright guilty of what is being said. So, here is your chance if you would like to explain, Jamie? best regards

Leon, I will happily supply you with a complete, unedited list of our emails back and forth if that helps in making your decision. If fact, I have no problem in displaying them in this thread publicly so that Jamie may see they are legit. Just let me know if you need them.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Chicago206

Leon, I will happily supply you with a complete, unedited list of our emails back and forth if that helps in making your decision. If fact, I have no problem in displaying them in this thread publicly so that Jamie may see they are legit. Just let me know if you need them.

While private emails aren't generally allowed on the board I think that in very rare cases we might let one or two go, if need be. I don't think it's needed in this case, at least yet. If we don't hear from Jamie by tomorrow then the other mods and I will take some form of action, with respect to him being on the board. regards

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Leon

If we don't hear from Jamie by tomorrow then the other mods and I will take some form of action, with respect to him being on the board. regards

To be fair to Jamie, I heard he has "been busy as hell with quarter end for work," so you might not hear from him right away.

[Blunder19]

I have read only the first 1.5 pages of this thread. I had no idea this was going on(this thread) I am out now and will respond when I am home after reading this through. Anyone who has dealt with me can vouche for my ethics...just ask jerry T after I came through with our BL460 deal. Chicago I don't know what you have told these people. I was not looking to do one criminal thing. I wanted to find an auction partner. Any one who I responded to past a "hello" which was only 2 people... I told I did not own the card... I agreed on a price with chicago and plan on bying the card. A bit of a gamble because I could get stuck paying for more then I wanted for the seymour. I in no way was going to take money from him. And I am outraged that this board feels that's who I am... I have been part of this board for years...

If I advertised the card on the bst in a method not allowed then I am sorry for that.

Chicago you are insane for trying to make me out to be a criminal....

I will respond more when I have a chance to finish reading this thread.

Jamie

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by Blunder19

I have read only the first 1.5 pages of this thread. I had no idea this was going on(this thread) I am out now and will respond when I am home after reading this through. Anyone who has dealt with me can vouche for my ethics...just ask jerry T after I came through with our BL460 deal. Chicago I don't know what you have told these people. I was not looking to do one criminal thing. I wanted to find an auction partner. Any one who I responded to past a "hello" which was only 2 people... I told I did not own the card... I agreed on a price with chicago and plan on bying the card. A bit of a gamble because I could get stuck paying for more then I wanted for the seymour. I in no way was going to take money from him. And I am outraged that this board feels that's who I am... I have been part of this board for years...

If I advertised the card on the bst in a method not allowed then I am sorry for that.

Chicago you are insane for trying to make me out to be a criminal....

I will respond more when I have a chance to finish reading this thread.

Jamie

And when you have time, a couple of other questions Jamie. First, until you were "exposed" in your BST thread, you NEVER once mentioned that the card was in a current auction....why not?
Second, you guaranteed I would get the card in 2 weeks if I made a financial commitment to you for the $1300. How do you guarantee me a card thats currently in an auction?
Third, Had you not won the auction in "2 weeks", what would you have told me at that point after you had me tie up my money for a card you guaranteed would be mine?

[vintagetoppsguy]

If the card was originally offered at $1000, just curious why you agreed upon $1300? What was his justification in raising the price $300? That should have told you about his character right there.

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If the card was originally offered at $1000, just curious why you agreed upon $1300? What was his justification in raising the price $300? That should have told you about his character right there.

I actually offered the extra $300 to ensure my chances of getting the card. I think $1300 is a very fair price to pay for an Uzit in a grade of 1, and was happy to offer that amount.

[JP]

http://sports.ha.com/common/view_ite...7&Lot_No=81043

I get that he wants the Seymour for his backs set that he has displayed before, but what happens if the Jennings and Seymour sell for $4000? Is he charging $1300 for the Jennings and paying $2700 on his own for the Seymour? Sounds like a serious gamble. I wouldve given the benefit of the doubt if he was upfront about it, but he clearly withheld information to me and chicagoT206, as well as others I'd assume...

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Exactly. Regardless of whether he wins the auction, his actions are dishonest and probably illegal. Taking money for a card of which he doesn't own?

Let me clarify here that Jamie DID tell me to wait 2 weeks to make payment on the card. He told me to "wait until he gets it". However, he stated nowhere in our dozen+ emails that the card was in an auction. He DID however "guarantee" that I would own the Uzit in 2 weeks time, leading me to believe that he was either waiting for delivery, or in negotiations on a private deal. I just fail to understand how one can guarantee someone else a card when its currently in a major auction!

[Scott L.]

I don't understand why Jamie would go this route as opposed to just trying to find a partner for the auction. Judging by the flurry of posts after his listing he would have had his choice of partners. Doesn't make any sense.

[dennis]

i'm with scott on the question of why didn't jamie just ask for a buying partner for the lot?? and not make himself look like a scammer. he posts on here a lot,so he should be smart enough to know he is going to be criticized immensely for this type of (scam)

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Chicago206

Let me clarify here that Jamie DID tell me to wait 2 weeks to make payment on the card. He told me to "wait until he gets it". However, he stated nowhere in our dozen+ emails that the card was in an auction. He DID however "guarantee" that I would own the Uzit in 2 weeks time, leading me to believe that he was either waiting for delivery, or in negotiations on a private deal. I just fail to understand how one can guarantee someone else a card when its currently in a major auction!

Actually it's kind of a ballsy move. Unfortunately it's as was already said, if it is as it looks, it's at least unethical and at worst criminal. The lawyers would know better than me. I "guess" if he came through with the goods, it might not be criminal, as he fullfilled his part of the contract? .....

[chris]

This is ridiculous. I have been looking for a Uzit for awhile and was excited to his post. I emailed him requesting a scan. He said he would send one later that night, which he never did and he raised his asking price $200. I told him I was still interested but have yet to get a further response. Now I see why...

[B O'Brien]

Take it easy Jamie.
Bob

[PWeso81]

So...money hasn't been exchanged yet, correct? What if the card is delivered as promised? I agree with everyone that this is not the right way to do things. I do not know who the person in question is...but he is being exposed and that is good for the rest of us. I would like to see the finish.