$50 REWARD for finding any BROAD LEAF 460 "No-Print" cards

[frankb22]

I'm glad Jim R asked first because I respect his knowledge when it
comes to the tougher backs so the answer must not be obvious.

Why are they no-prints?

[tedzan]

I appreciate your sense of humor.

[tedzan]

I knew you'd ask. I will post the list of "No Prints" in a moment.

TED Z

[BobbyVCP]

Ted,

I thought all these back set lists where created from known existing cards. How where these list created otherwise?

[tedzan]

These confirmed and "No-Print" lists are the results of my research, while collecting my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set,
in which I discovered that AB 460 and UZIT cards were printed as pairs. And, that BL 460 and Red HINDU cards were as
pairs. Furthermore, these two sets of pairs are mutually exclusive. That is, you will not find a BL 460 and a UZIT back on
the same subject. Also, you will not find a BL 460 and an AB 460 back on the same subject.

Please keep in mind, that these stated rules apply only to the 62 cards in the 350/460 series....of which the BL 460 cards
are from.

I hope I have answered your question. If not, I'll try again.

Best regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

Gee, so far no takers. So, I'll expand this $10 offer to include the 8 cards that I expect will be found.

There is a very good probability that any of these 8 cards will eventually be found with BL 460 backs.

Ames (hands over head)
Bender (no trees)
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chase (blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Donlin (bat)
Doyle (bat)
Magee (bat)


There is a very low probability that any of the following 28 cards will be found with a BL 460 back.
Therefore, I'm classifying them as "No-Prints".

Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)

Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wilhelm (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


Happy hunting, guys......I'm expecting to see some new BL 460's added to the confirmed list of 26.


T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

Regarding your..........

"I'm glad Jim R asked first because I respect his knowledge when it
comes to the tougher backs so the answer must not be obvious.
Why are they no-prints?"


It gets somewhat complicated; however, here's my answer to you..........

My observations of of several surveys of BROAD LEAF 460, Red HINDU, and UZIT cards......combined with my research
while putting together my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set has resulted in what appears to be a well-defined pattern.

My theory is......American Lithographic (ALC) printed simultaneous press runs of BROAD LEAF 460 and Red HINDU cards
with fronts common to both (Winter of 1910). In the Spring of 1911, ALC printed simultaneous press runs of AMERICAN
BEAUTY 460 and UZIT cards (with fronts common to both).

Furthermore, because of the timeline difference (4 months) the BL 460 / Red HINDU pairs are mutually exclusive with the
AB 460 / UZIT pairs. Therefore, assuming my theory is true, this pattern allows us to predict which front/back combos
were printed, As a consequence, we are also have the ability to determine which front/back combos are NO-PRINTS.

The three lists of BROAD LEAF 460 that I have posted in this thread are the results of this research. I have a very high
confidence factor that these lists are an accurate representation of "The Monster" with respect to not only the BL 460
cards; but also, the AB 460, Red HINDU, and UZIT cards.

Thanks for your excellent question,

TED Z

[tedzan]

Here are the 28 cards which I am stating were not printed with the BROAD LEAF 460 back.

Prove me wrong, and for every one of the following cards you confirm with a BL 460 back,
I will reward you with a Hamilton Greenback !

350/460 Series cards..............28 - "No-Prints"

Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)

Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wilhelm (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


Happy hunting, guys......


T-Rex TED

[JP]

I have never owned any of the 28 no prints.

[Potomac Yank]

Originally Posted by frankb22

I'm glad Jim R asked first because I respect his knowledge when it
comes to the tougher backs so the answer must not be obvious.

Why are they no-prints?

*

Ditto to what frankb22 says.

[JP]

Ted,

I understand that you know which 26 different BL460s exist, and which 8 are likely to exist, but do you have any population numbers (total graded and/or non-graded) on any of the known cards? For instance I've seen at least 3 different Addie Joss and Charlie O'leary BL460s each, but have yet to see most that are on the confirmed list. Are most of the known BL460s 1 of 1?

[cfc1909]

These last few years checking and rechecking the confirmed front back combos looks like it has really paid off. Your AB 460 collection is also key-it has outlined the BL460/red Hindu pairs and the AB460/Uzit pairs and to say with some certainty that there are no prints and exactly which cards.

This is huge for this set. This set is very hard to understand but this is definately making it easier. You being retired and able to spend countless hours figuring this out is priceless. I think I will let you hang out with me at the next Philly show...

All joking aside-thank you so much-you know this is my favorite set because of the backs and the Baltimore players in it-this is great stuff. I am still learning new things about this set every day.

I also want to thank a few collectors( you know who you are) that are very low key but do share their information with us that helps gather all this and make it possible.

Frank -thank you for your kind words.

[FrankWakefield]

Ted, truly great information. Insightful.

Can this similarity of printing be applied to earlier 350 press runs?

And Jim, you're right to thank those that forward information. As it trickles in the mozaic of the white border cards becomes more defined.

Frank W.

[ethicsprof]

amazing scholarly work, Ted, that has illuminated the darkest reaches of the Monster.
i'm sure that you are now at the top of its 10 Most Wanted List!!!
and most of the rest of the list lives on this board!

best,
barry

[wonkaticket]

Well done Ted good read some good insight.

Not sure if anyone will be selling you BL460's for $10 bucks though..

Besides Jim offers $12.