$50 REWARD for finding any BROAD LEAF 460 "No-Print" cards

rebelsart · #1 04-08-2010, 10:11 AM

Hello Ted,
Always enjoy reading your postings on the T206 back breakdowns.

I am confused by your BL460/Hindu red and AB460/Uzit patterns.

I show some cards in the 350/460 series that have been confirmed with multiples of these backs. For example:

Burch, fielding confirmed with BL460, Hindu Red, Lenox, Uzit.
Mullin, batting - my list shows I have seen this one with BL460, and have a Uzit.
Cobb, red - confirmed with BL460, Lenox, Uzit, and a PSA graded Hindu red.
Downey, batting - confirmed with BL460, Hindu Red, Lenox, Uzit.

Since we have no recorded front/back information until Bill Heitman began in 1980 we are still searching to confirm many of these possiblities. Every year we find some "new" combinations and add to these lists.

Art

tedzan · #2 04-08-2010, 11:51 AM

Here is what my research indicates......

Cobb (red portrait)......
Indeed, I have listed this card with a BL 460 back......but, I have to disagree with you that it exists with either a Red HINDU
back or, a UZIT back. The PSA graded Red HINDU (the only one ever seen), that was in last year's auction, is very suspect.
And, none of the Six Super Prints (of which this Cobb is one) were printed with the UZIT back.

Downey (batting)......
Do you have this card with a UZIT back ? I've never seen this card with a UZIT back.

Mullin (batting)......
I have this card with AB 460 and UZIT backs. I've never seen this card with a BL460 back.

Burch (fielding)......
The only one of these 4 backs I have of this card is an AB 460. I know that the Super-Set indicates that BL 460, Red HINDU,
and UZIT have been seen. But, neither of these 3 backs have been confirmed by anyone.

The approx. 4800 inputs on the Super-Set (S-S) are 99.5 % accurate. However, I have been suspect of some of this data.
So, I have contacted about a dozen people who have inputted such data to the S-S; and, it turned out in 6 cases that their
inputs were mistaken.
I tell you this because I'm skeptical about the BL 460 and/or the Red HINDU backs regarding Burch. Can you positively verify
if Burch exists with a BL 460 and/or a Red HINDU ?

Perhaps, Burch is the one anomaly to my AB 460 / UZIT or BL 460 / Red HINDU pattern theory. At this point, I cannot tell from
the data that exists. I'm hoping you can clarify this subject ?

Best regards,

TED Z

tedzan · #3 04-08-2010, 02:37 PM

Regarding your......

" I understand that you know which 26 different BL460s exist, and which 8 are likely to exist, but do you have any population
numbers (total graded and/or non-graded) on any of the known cards? "

I do not do POP reports, so I can't provide you any population #'s. Anyhow PSA #'s, for the most part, would be unrepresent-
ative. In 30 years of collecting T206's, I've seen at least one example of 20 of the 26 listed BL 460 cards.

In a about 5 cases, I have seen 2 examples. Perhaps, I might just start a survey here to see what kind of population exists
among the BL 460 cards.

TED Z

JP · #4 04-08-2010, 02:51 PM

Thanks, Ted. I wasn't really looking for a specific PSA-like pop report, was just curious if some were known to be more prevelant than others. (PSA I understand is definitely not representative, I'd be surprised if more than a handful have EVER been graded by them.) I appreciate the response, though, and am curious as to which ones others have seen. Other than in auctions online, I know I've seen less than 10 in my lifetime. For example, I can attest to seeing an O'leary at a card show in S.F. a few years ago that was not the same as the one that is in the current REA auction or the one that is new to my collection.

rebelsart · #5 04-08-2010, 05:53 PM

Ted,
Here is a scan of T206 Burch, fielding with Uzit back. Still looking for other scans as requested.

tedzan · #6 04-08-2010, 09:31 PM

Art

Thanx for confirming the Burch/UZIT. That makes me happy as it is consistent with the AB 460 / UZIT "matched pairs"
that I have identified.

I'll be very surprised if Burch appears with either a BL 460 or a Red HINDU.

Best regards,

TED Z

White Borders · #7 04-08-2010, 11:09 PM

Hi Ted,

Here's some data that you can start your survey with:

I have:

Rube Manning (Pitching) with an Uzit back, which means, if i've correctly understood the Zanidakis Correlation, it should also be found with an AB460 back, but not with either a BL460 or a Red Hindu.

Jake Stahl (Glove Showing) with a BL460 back. So it should also be found with a Red Hindu, but not an AB460 or Uzit.

So, does anyone else have Rube Manning (Pitching) or Jake Stahl (Glove Showing) with BL460, Red Hindu, AB460 or Uzit backs?

Best Regards,
Craig

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