List of known Red HINDU's....can you add any new ones ?

tedzan · #1 04-22-2010, 07:34 AM

Two of my favorite T206 cards...."Turkey Mike" Donlin was an unusual BB player, who batted .333
in his on/off 12 year career. Who knows what Donlin would have achieved, had he focused on BB,
rather than acting. He had New York city as his "stage".

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Hey guys, post your Red HINDU's....perhaps we will see a new one to add to the confirmed list.

TED Z

chiprop · #2 04-22-2010, 07:54 AM

Ted-
The PSA 4 Red Hindu Cobb is very real. I had the card in my possession for weeks and looked at it daily. My understanding is the card was owned by a member as early as mid 80's. Trust me, that card is authentic and spectacular! Dan

tedzan · #3 04-22-2010, 08:36 AM

Dan

My understanding (and others on this forum) is that the PSA4 red Cobb/red HINDU has no history prior
to 1999. So tell us, when did you have this card and was it ungraded ?

The numerous T206 re-backed cards in 1999-2000 era that were graded by PSA and SGC were very profes-
sionally re-backed. Once they were encapsulated, there is virtually no way of detecting that these cards
were altered.
Most of us "dinosaurs" on this forum, who have collected T206's since the 1970's, have never seen any
of the 4 - T206 Cobb's with a Brown or Red HINDU backs, much less this one....have you ? ?

Since you say that this card goes back to the mid-1980's, I am very interested in hearing the details of
this card.

Thanks,

TED Z

wonkaticket · #4 04-22-2010, 12:29 PM

Dan,

I too would love to hear about this cards history from the 80's.

John

chiprop · #5 04-22-2010, 12:47 PM

The consigner of the REA Red Hindu Cobb told me that he first saw the card (raw) when it walked into a show in the 80's. I was with him when he purchased it in 2003/4 and he told me it was the same card. I personally held onto the card for a few weeks before the card was sent to REA. I have seen re-backed cards, and I can tell you that it would be really hard to make a card look like this did from 2 separate pieces of cardboard.

barrysloate · #6 04-22-2010, 12:52 PM

Dan- it is in fact quite easy to reback cards and make them virtually undetectable. Many rebacked cards currently reside in slabs that are extremely difficult to tell, so much so that they fooled the graders. And this is not a comment about the Cobb with Hindu because I have never seen it in person.

caramelcard · #7 04-22-2010, 01:24 PM

"...so much so that they fooled the graders"

Must've been real good to get it by those guys.

Kidding Barry but couldn't help myself. I know what you're saying, but I must say I've never seen any of this group of T206 cards that Ted refers to that have been rebacked so well that very seasoned T206 collectors can't tell.

I've seen many rebacked T206 (including more than one Cobb/hindu combination) that are completely obvious and show staining or darkening around the edge.

Are you sure it's "quite easy" to make these rebacked cards undetectable? I would think it's quite difficult. I assume that you mean for a handful of people in this country who are paper experts it's "easy?"

If these are virtually undetectable to us, than the only time we would even ask the question with any issue is if the front/back combo wasn't established in the hobby yet. That's scary.

Ted (or anyone else),

Could you tell us a bit more about:

"The numerous T206 re-backed cards in 1999-2000 era that were graded by PSA and SGC were very professionally re-backed."

How were these cards identified? Because the front/back combos didn't exist or because the rebacking was evident from looking at the cards?

Do you have any examples of what you're talking about?

Thanks.

Rob

wonkaticket · #8 04-22-2010, 01:25 PM

Also aware of the consinor who owned the card also from my understanding these cards "Hindu's" Cobbs came from a dealer who I will not name.

He was getting these from a person in NY who was connected to or was Moser the re-backer himslef. I think the bad Drum Cobb the fellow board members had which we all no was bad also came from this same dealer slash NY connection.

One connection at arms length to tons of one of a kind Cobb's seems odd to me sort of like Chan having 4 Old Mill OP's.

Also shear law of avg. says at least more than one Hindu (Red or Brown) of any Cobb would have popped up by now. I mean we can point out a handfull of Johnson's and Youngs..yet the biggest player of the day only one of each.

Two Browns and one Red? In all my years never seen one, superset 17k cards just the 2 Browns in question. Asked many auctioners none of them every sold one or remember seeing one inculding Rob from REA. Never seen one on Ebay, never seen one for sale in any way.

One would think we would see at least one other in all these years somewhere..heck even during my Murphy quest I found 3 BL460's examples in fact in BL460 there are many cards that have many examples even a single Cobb Red BL460.

I think we could all say that BL460 is way tougher than Brown Hindu and much tougher than Red. And on a super print like Cobb we have more single examples of a common like Murphy floating around with BL460 back than Cobb with a Brown Hindu or Red for that matter.

These are either the rarest of all T206's even more rare than the Doyle as each Cobb Hindu is a one of one. Or something doesn't fit?

Cheers,

John

John

tedzan · #9 04-22-2010, 01:42 PM

Dan and Rob A....and, to everyone else who is interested......

Check-out this link before you think, that a RE-BACKED card cannot GRADED with at least a PSA 4
or an SGC 50 grade......Matty (portrait) with Red HINDU back

http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_23.html

FURTHERMORE, at that same period (circa 1999-2000) the following re-backed cards were GRADED.

Green Cobb with RED HINDU back

Cobb (bat on) with CAROLINA BRIGHTS back

Cobb (bat off) with PIEDMONT 150 back

ALL THE ABOVE T206 F/B COMBO's ARE IMPOSSIBLE

Do NOT ever underestimate the ability of a Professional Paper Restorer. They can do wonders with
Million's of dollars worth of Artwork....much less a simple little T206 BB card.

And, the next question that arises is......who would pay big $$$$$ for an altered BB card......

Well, someone has paid a small fortune on a GRADED T206 Joe Doyle error card that has a POLAR
BEAR back......folks, THIS IS ANOTHER IMPOSSIBLE T206 F/B COMBO.

P.S.....there are many more re-backed cards during that period. These immediately come to mind.
Since, they are obvious NO-NO's. There are others that are valid F/B combo's that have not been
detected. Scary.....isn't it ?

TED Z

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