Cobb/Cobb card in Goodwin Auction

[wonkaticket]

Hmmm I'm joning team Lichtman on Goodwin prices that make you go hmmm...

135k for that Cobb is very odd when a much nicer example is around the mid 40's right now...

Also PSA 3 American Beauty's in goodwin pulling $300+ when PSA 5 on ebay this week have gone cheaper heck even a 6 on ebay only went $130 or so more than Goodwins's PSA 3's?

Then you have the AUTH Sid Smith Brown Old Mill card which for 90% of the auction wasn't even listed as a "Brown" Old Mill card but just an AUTH Southern League card. That in it self is odd or sad Goodwin has a back set for sale in his auction in which Goodwin goes into detail about how tough Brown Old Mill's and Lenox cards are to find. Apparently they are very tough to find so tough in fact they may be for sale in your auction and you wouldn't even know.

Yet when the lot was corrected with less than a week to go it somehow pulled nice $$.

I can't say something is going on just looking at numbers and circumstances.

But I will say that if I you ever consign use Goodwin somehow he manages to get huge prices and get collectors to pay double and sometimes 5X what items are worth or have sold for how does he do it?

[cfc1909]

how about the Piedmont factory 42s

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...value=piedmont 42&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1


http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...value=piedmont 42&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1


there was a SGC 60 Elberfeld Piedmont 42 in Huggins that went for $450 plus juice in their last auction

not sure what to make of these prices but I guess I better consign to Goodwin next auction.

[teetwoohsix]

Dang-that Rucker Piedmont 42 went for some bucks...........

[wolfdogg]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Dang-that Rucker Piedmont 42 went for some bucks...........

I was thinking same thing.......are they that rare?..........may have to get my Rucker Fact.42 slabbed and sell it.........

[ullmandds]

i think you probably missed the boat on the rucker escapade!!! must have been 2 crazy back completionist collectors going at it!!!

[wolfdogg]

Yep................

[chiprop]

I'll take the under. REA's crease is heavy.

[JP]

Jim, then this should go for $10k!

http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-Frank-Smith...#ht_1140wt_948

[sox1903wschamp]

Wow, the prices on the backs of these cards amaze me. I think they are neat and there certaintly is a huge market for them

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

how about the Piedmont factory 42s

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...value=piedmont 42&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1


http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...value=piedmont 42&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1


there was a SGC 60 Elberfeld Piedmont 42 in Huggins that went for $450 plus juice in their last auction

not sure what to make of these prices but I guess I better consign to Goodwin next auction.

I was watching those lots in Goodwin as well as the one in Huggins. It looks like the Huggins lot was a bargain.

[Steve D]

OK, in an attempt to get back to the Cobb/Cobb.....

One aspect of the Goodwin Cobb that seems to have been missed here is the fact that this one appears to be only the third example to not have a glossy surface (out of ~15 total examples known of the Cobb/Cobb back.

So.....~12 copies with a glossy surface - 3 copies without a glossy surface.

Could the price for the Goodwin example be due to the lack of the glossy surface?

And could we be seeing a differentiation price-wise between the two variations?

Just something to think about.

Edited to add that the Goodwin example has what I believe is the best surface condition of any example I can remember seeing. The blood-red background is immaculate! The only "problems" with the card are the four corners, and perhaps extremely slight registration issues with Cobb's image. I can't remember seeing any example of the Cobb/Cobb back that didn't have some creasing or general surface damage/wear. This by itself, could be another reason for a higher-than-normal bid. Put this together with the rarity of the non-glossy surface.....

Steve

[JP]

Excellent point!

[botn]

It is absurd to compare the price of REA's at this point (6 days before the completion of the auction) to Goodwin's final price. Goodwin's was at 35K plus the juice the night before the auction ended.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by Steve D

Could the price for the Goodwin example be due to the lack of the glossy surface?

Steve

Given the number of other lots with prices that seem exceedingly high it's too difficult to say.

I think it would be easier to give credit to the lack of gloss had this price been realized in another auction.

[forazzurri2axz]

for you Goodwin bashers with plenty of time on your hands, were you aware that most of the American Beauty cards were the AB 460 and not the AB 350 of either type???....

And that many of those AB 460's were not only the highest graded since PSA started identifying the backs , but in some cases the ONLY one ever graded....

And in the recent threads here about back scarcity no one disagreeed with the #9 ranking of that back---that is higher than Carolina Brights OR Hindu Brown according to several of the back experts (I am not one of them)

And finally, I was either the underbidder or darn close to it on almost all the AB auctions--last time I checked I was not a shill for Bill

Too many people here jump to conclusions a little too quickly when it comes to his acutions IMHO

cheers Bill Latzko

[FUBAR]

It only takes two guys with too much money to escalate a card to beyond an acceptable level. Sad part is, we will all pay indirectly in the future. It saddens me when rich folk create a market the average Joe can no longer afford to play in.

If i ever struck it rich, i could have seen myself shelling out 15k for a nice example but justifying 150k, id need to beat myself with a hammer to think this was a good idea.

[onlychild]

Hmmm I'm joning team Lichtman on Goodwin prices that make you go hmmm...

135k for that Cobb is very odd when a much nicer example is around the mid 40's right now...

Also PSA 3 American Beauty's in goodwin pulling $300+ when PSA 5 on ebay this week have gone cheaper heck even a 6 on ebay only went $130 or so more than Goodwins's PSA 3's?

Then you have the AUTH Sid Smith Brown Old Mill card which for 90% of the auction wasn't even listed as a "Brown" Old Mill card but just an AUTH Southern League card. That in it self is odd or sad Goodwin has a back set for sale in his auction in which Goodwin goes into detail about how tough Brown Old Mill's and Lenox cards are to find. Apparently they are very tough to find so tough in fact they may be for sale in your auction and you wouldn't even know.

Yet when the lot was corrected with less than a week to go it somehow pulled nice $$.

I can't say something is going on just looking at numbers and circumstances.

But I will say that if I you ever consign use Goodwin somehow he manages to get huge prices and get collectors to pay double and sometimes 5X what items are worth or have sold for how does he do it?

Put me on the same team.

Also, I am certainly no Cobb expert and have especially limited knowledge on the Cobb/Cobb. I just find it a bit odd that this particular card is a new find and one of the super rare "no gloss" cards. The super-sized scan leaves me thinking why the borders are bleeding and the blood red background seems to lack any pixilation. Dunno...perhaps it's just me but it just doesn't look right. Even the Cobb named seems to be strangely aligned when compared to the other Cobb/Cobb's. Hell, I just don't know.

[Chicago206]

Are you implying the Goodwin card is not authentic?

[E93]

Originally Posted by Chicago206

Are you implying the Goodwin card is not authentic?

Kevin just likes to make alarmist claims. He rarely considers how his comments, however unsubstantiated they may be, affect others, like those who just spent 135k on a card.
JimB

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by E93

Kevin just likes to make alarmist claims. He rarely considers how his comments, however unsubstantiated they may be, affect others, like those who just spent 135k on a card.
JimB

I would argue that Kevin really shouldn't take those kind of factors into account when giving his opinion on a card. Should he keep quiet just to not offend the new owner of the Cobb? Just my 2 cents.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by E93

Kevin just likes to make alarmist claims. He rarely considers how his comments, however unsubstantiated they may be, affect others, like those who just spent 135k on a card.
JimB

Jim- I disagree. I think Kevin just brought up some points about the card that he thought looked a bit odd. I just did the same thing. If I buy a high dollar card then I expect it to possibly get talked about also. If someone says a card I bought isn't good then that is their opinion. As long as I am comfortable with what I buy then I am happy. I don't mind the questions...and hope no one else would either. Just because we talk about something doesn't make it so....It's a very open forum. Remember, there are some who think that ALL E94 overprints are not good. That is their opinion. It's not mine.

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by E93

Kevin just likes to make alarmist claims. He rarely considers how his comments, however unsubstantiated they may be, affect others, like those who just spent 135k on a card.
JimB

I dont see a problem with discussing a high profile card's legitimacy. Its not much different than people here talking about the "sheet cut" 2.8 mil Wagner....is it?

[wonkaticket]

Had a nice talk with Bill Goodwin today who gave me a call. Bill just wanted to take sometime to try to explain the recent prices without going into details of who was bidding etc.

While I appreciated the call I'm still beside myself on some of the prices as I told Bill.

He understood and tried to give me as much detail as he could. He told me he wanted to make an effort to reach out to me as a bidder to try an ease my concerns if I had any.

Bill also told me he also extends that same courtesy to anyone else who may have questions or concerns.

Just thought I would pass on to the folks here.

John

[rman444]

Originally Posted by onlychild

Even the Cobb named seems to be strangely aligned when compared to the other Cobb/Cobb's.

Interesting find, Kevin. I never noticed this before. The comma after "Cobb" is directly under the split of Cobb's uniform in the PSA example, and a little to the left of the split in the SGC example. The lettering is also further away from the image on the PSA example.

[Leon]

Personally, I don't care for the overall look of the one in the PSA holder. Besides what has been mentioned what the heck is going on with that front, top left (as we are looking at it) part of the frame that is around Cobb? It's not square. That PSA card looks a lot different, to me, than the SGC one. I am NOT saying it's not real or anything like that.....but if I were buying it I would certainly want to get a 2nd and 3rd expert opinion. The "look" is probably due to the lack of gloss that the others have, but I am in no way sure of it. regards

[botn]

Originally Posted by Leon

Personally, I don't care for the overall look of the one in the PSA holder. Besides what has been mentioned what the heck is going on with that front, top left (as we are looking at it) part of the frame that is around Cobb? It's not square. That PSA card looks a lot different, to me, than the SGC one. I am NOT saying it's not real or anything like that.....but if I were buying it I would certainly want to get a 2nd and 3rd expert opinion. The "look" is probably due to the lack of gloss that the others have, but I am in no way sure of it. regards

Hi Leon,
I have already had my day in the sun regarding my SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper Red Cobb and I don't mean to hijack this thread or be busting your eggs too hard. However you seem to have no trouble jumping on board and voicing your skepticism of this Cobb/Cobb card (one I am assuming you have not seen in person but maybe you have) but were unable to commit an opinion to a card which was in your possession which also possessed an anomaly which I provided numerous close up pictures. Could that have anything to do with the Cobb/Cobb not having been auctioned by you or that it is PSA graded versus being SGC graded?

With respect to Goodwin's example I do see the differences which Kevin pointed out and wonder if those can be attributed to the non glossy version as the image quality or registration of the two cards is quite different. Anyone here have pictures of the other non glossy Cobb/Cobb?

Greg

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Hmmm I'm joning team Lichtman on Goodwin prices that make you go hmmm...

135k for that Cobb is very odd when a much nicer example is around the mid 40's right now...

Also PSA 3 American Beauty's in goodwin pulling $300+ when PSA 5 on ebay this week have gone cheaper heck even a 6 on ebay only went $130 or so more than Goodwins's PSA 3's?

Then you have the AUTH Sid Smith Brown Old Mill card which for 90% of the auction wasn't even listed as a "Brown" Old Mill card but just an AUTH Southern League card. That in it self is odd or sad Goodwin has a back set for sale in his auction in which Goodwin goes into detail about how tough Brown Old Mill's and Lenox cards are to find. Apparently they are very tough to find so tough in fact they may be for sale in your auction and you wouldn't even know.

Yet when the lot was corrected with less than a week to go it somehow pulled nice $$.

I can't say something is going on just looking at numbers and circumstances.

But I will say that if I you ever consign use Goodwin somehow he manages to get huge prices and get collectors to pay double and sometimes 5X what items are worth or have sold for how does he do it?

Careful, careful. You don't want to be labeled a conspiracy theorist.