Antique Roadshow: California League Cabinets

[3-2-count]

Dan, saw it. His appraisal was extremely low. When I heard him say 10-15K for the group I said, HUH???

[Tom S.]

I saw that too. Here is the link to the appraisal...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/200906A34.html

It appears that the show was taped in August 2009 - does anyone know if those cabinets have surfaced in the marketplace by now?

[ullmandds]

I just watched it on my dvr this morning...way undervalued...I agree!!! If images could be matched up w/california oj's...or other cards...the sky's the limit!

How about those indian relics at the end...and that kashmir sapphire was amazing!!!

[autograf]

With those 3-4 team cabinets and a dozen(ish) individuals, I'd say they were WAAAY off too. Gutierrez is supposedly an auto guy anyway. I've not been overly impressed with him or with the other dude on there when they've had BB stuff. I'd say those cabs would push $40-$50K in the right auction.

The Eskimo Indians stuff at the end was shocking.....the woman was just slightly impressed. I would have been floored.........$300K?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by autograf

With those 3-4 team cabinets and a dozen(ish) individuals, I'd say they were WAAAY off too. Gutierrez is supposedly an auto guy anyway. I've not been overly impressed with him or with the other dude on there when they've had BB stuff. I'd say those cabs would push $40-$50K in the right auction.

I always thought Simeon Lipman did a pretty good job of evaluating items.

I think Gutierrez did a horrible job here...no names given. Didn't even address the 7 or so cabinets that were on the table. I'd love to know what those were.

[Bill Stone]

I watched it last night and as I recall it was suggested that these might have been stolen from a museum ? Just a hint but I thought at some point he was going to say no value because they were stolen and may be reclaimed at any moment. Did anyone else get this impression?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Bill Stone

I watched it last night and as I recall it was suggested that these might have been stolen from a museum ? Just a hint but I thought at some point he was going to say no value because they were stolen and may be reclaimed at any moment. Did anyone else get this impression?

They were probably deaccessioned. And if indeed they belonged to a museum they would probably have some markings on the back...to me it sounded like the kid probably got them passed down from his family. The images used in the book were probably taken from microfilm that the museum still has.

[Hot Springs Bathers]

John Spalding who wrote the book used in the sequence is very much alive and well. I spoke with him two weeks ago concerning some old guides. I am sure John might have some insight as to where the cabinets came from and how they came into Roadshow?

[Bill Stone]

My dear Watson this could be fun for our group. Deaccaessioning and disposal of materials from a museum usually follows a formal policy and should be well documented. So let's see if we can get a few elementary facts.
Can we start with the propostion that these photos are circa 1887?
If they had been in a museum is it logical that it was probably in California?
Was there a photo credit given in the book?
Just a few inital thoughts --I would think if these were, in fact, deaccessioned there would be a record at the musuem and it could greatly enhance the claim of the owner. Any other facts we can assume?

[tbob]

[QUOTE=autograf;806884]With those 3-4 team cabinets and a dozen(ish) individuals, I'd say they were WAAAY off too. Gutierrez is supposedly an auto guy anyway. I've not been overly impressed with him or with the other dude on there when they've had BB stuff. I'd say those cabs would push $40-$50K in the right auction.

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I agree with Tom, definitely underpriced in today's market. He downplays the rarity of the cards because they are all "journeymen"? Give me a break.
You can also count me in with the crowd that feels something fishy occurred in the way they were acquired. If my great grandfather had played with the team and they were passed down to this guy by his grandfather, I would have to assume great granddad would be one of the cabinets and not the only one missing. Strange...

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by tbob

I agree with Tom, definitely underpriced in today's market. He downplays the rarity of the cards because they are all "journeymen"? Give me a break.
You can also count me in with the crowd that feels something fishy occurred in the way they were acquired. If my great grandfather had played with the team and they were passed down to this guy by his grandfather, I would have to assume great granddad would be one of the cabinets and not the only one missing. Strange...

Maybe someone else in the family got Great Great Granddad's photo? Some of my grandparents stuff was divided up amongst the grandkids, some was auctioned off and some other stuff I got from my uncle...I have no idea what my cousins got and my cousins have no idea what I have.

[prewarsports]

I wonder if the grandfather loaned them to the museum and then they were returned to the family at a later date or something.

I bought a collection of photos once from a lady who sold me all the photos except her grandfather, she didn't have it. When the family divied them up years before it was divided that the photo of the grandfather went to one kid and the other had to settle for all the rest of the photos.

As for value, the team photos are worth $5,000+ each and it looked like there were 4 of those. The rest are worth at least $1000 each and probably more depending on condition and who the players were.

MINIMUM $40,000

[Rickyy]

Cool too see that in my hometown episode. Agreed too..the quote was waay too low... it would definitely be interesting to see if John Spaulding can shed any light on this. I remember seeing him at bay area shows over the years..very nice man and scored some cards off of him too.

[Anthony S.]

Screw baseball cards. I'm gonna start collecting over-sized Eskimo spoons and carved raven thingamabobs. Same episode. $300,000. Wow.

[base_ball]

You can watch it here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/200906A34.html

The real story with this appraisal is how did the great-great grandson come into possession of the goods? Very interesting.

[dstudeba]

I believe these are the same group that were offered for sale a couple of years ago. They have not been sold that I know of. The owner knows what he has as the prices he was asking were very strong.