Looking for opinions on this Chick Hafey signature

[packs]

I don't know if it's real or not but will know when it comes. I had questions too but since the seller didn't even mention the possibility of it being signed, I figured the photo came from a collection that he either bought or was given. It would be hard to track down an original snapshot of Hafey, especially one like this which to me looked like Spring Training. So I'm assuming the photo was taken by someone who worked on field, like maybe a reporter. If it was a reporter and he was able to get this close to Hafey, I don't know he would then label the subject in the photo in a manner that looks very close to his signature. Why not just write it in your own handwriting? The O'Doul signature looked very different from this one so I ruled out the possibility that a forger had obtained both photos and forged both signatures. But again, I have no idea if it's authentic or not.

[packs]

Here is the O'Doul which I did not win. To me the signatures don't look like they were made by the same person, but they are in the same pen and look as though both photos were taken by the same person. Are they both fake?

[mr2686]

here's some assumptions. Based on the two photographs and the teams they were playing on...and assuming they were taken by the same person at or around the same time, that would put these photos at around 1932 or 33. I have seen a ton of Lefty O'Doul autographs but I do not believe I have seen one pre 1933, at least that I remember. Everyone of them has the top of the D curl around and create a straight line over the oul in O'doul. With that said, maybe this is prior to him starting that. This auto has enough similarities that , to me, if it was someone copying his signature, they would obviously know about the D...that would be the easiest to copy. If it were me, and for the price, I would have picked them both up and sent them off to Richard Simon or Jim Stinson to verify. At the very least, you would have a nice piece of baseball photography history of a hall of famer and a should be hall of famer (again, my opinion)

[rhettyeakley]

They look to be done in the same hand to me. The use of quotes on both along with the almost exact "f" and "y" in Lefty and Hafey makes me lean towards not autographed.
-Rhett

[ullmandds]

I'm certainly no expert...but the y's look very different to me?

[packs]

I'm not an expert either but in my opinion the Y's and F's are different. The seller had the photos listed as being from 1932. Both these guys lived almost into the 1970s (Hafey 73 and O'Doul 69) so we're talking 40 years in between for them to change their signatures. They could both very well be extremely fake. It's just a very weird fake to go through the trouble of making, especially since it's clear that if these are fake the forger at least had some sense of what the signature looked like and lacked some sense of what later signatures looked like.

[mr2686]

that's exactly what I'm thinking as well