Goodwin is up

[wonkaticket]

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...100&category=1

Not so sure this is Brown...factory cut..which I've never seen on a Brown Old Mill...also way too dark IMO.

[Bridwell]

That's funny, John. Sure looks black to me!

I've got a Magee T206 card labeled as a PSA 5 Magie error. Maybe Goodwin will take it on consignment?

Ron R

[E93]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...100&category=1

Not so sure this is Brown...factory cut..which I've never seen on a Brown Old Mill...also way too dark IMO.

Yikes! Somebody made a big mistake. SGC better get that pulled before they have to pay $1000s for it.
JimB

[JP]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...100&category=1

Not so sure this is Brown...factory cut..which I've never seen on a Brown Old Mill...also way too dark IMO.

Agreed. For years I thought the difference was minimal and thought I owned several. Then I saw one in person and saw that the difference is MAJOR. Just compare the scan from the brown back in the last auction to this one. Doesn't even seem remotely similar in color.

EDIT: Damn you Jim, you beat me by a minute!

[teetwoohsix]

Wow.

I don't know what was going on at PSA when they were grading those OJ's,,,,and the one floating around in that slab,looks like it may have done a little corner damage?

I also once thought my Ike Rockenfeld T206 was a brown back,,,but,of course,just faded black.That "brown back" looks pretty "black".Maybe it's just the scan?

Clayton

Edit to add:Just saw your post Gary-agreed.I would be pissed if I submitted that beautiful card to PSA and they sent it back floating around in their slab like that!!!

[wonkaticket]

Even with Goodwins very own scanner so the color should be good...the Old Mill brown from his last auction and the current one.

You have to chuckle a bit the last one was missed and wasn't labeled as brown until towards the end, and this one which is labeled up front but most likely isn't brown.

Bill did say (Hi Bill) he had one coming up that he was on the fence on this has to be it. I would say that card is not brown IMO. The label should say boomerang because that card is coming back to either Goodwin or SGC.

Cheers,

John

[barrysloate]

That's a black back Old Mill, no question about it.

And it's time some of the hobbyists petitioned the graders to hold a seminar about grading Old Judges, and explain to them that they don't have a clue. If collectors know more than the graders, what's the point?

[M's_Fan]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

That's a black back Old Mill, no question about it.

And it's time some of the hobbyists petitioned the graders to hold a seminar about grading Old Judges, and explain to them that they don't have a clue. If collectors know more than the graders, what's the point?

No doubt that is a black old mill. It doesn't reflect well on Goodwin that they are trying to profit on an obvious mislabel. I don't see REA trying to pull this.

Those OJ's are so mis-graded its hilarious. I like your suggestion John, but although the grading problems are most acute with Old Judges, in my opinion it also very evident in whatever issue the companies are grading, because the image quality counts for nothing (see recent thread on REA Plank grades).

Fat chance they'll listen to us though, the grading companies think of themselves like great oracles of wisdom that we must bow down to...

[botn]

Originally Posted by E93

Yikes! Somebody made a big mistake. SGC better get that pulled before they have to pay $1000s for it.
JimB

Yeah it is a really good thing for the winner that SGC has that "guaranty".

[Anthony S.]

That blacker shade of brown "Old Mill" is a perfect example of why SGC no longer employs former members of Procol Harum.