Goodwin is up

milkit1 · #1 05-14-2010, 07:23 AM

This is Joe Tinker not Frank Chance ...ugh

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...100&category=1

docpatlv · #2 05-14-2010, 07:44 AM

Sean,

I noticed that cabinet too. But I bet that the auction house submitted as Chance to SGC.

Mike

milkit1 · #3 05-14-2010, 08:08 AM

I dont understand who they have working for them? This is a pretty easy one. I remember about two years ago The Tribune in Chicago put out a magazine about the Cubs showing a lot of the 1908 cubs. They had a team picture of the 08 cubs in which they only bothered to try to name half of them (and nearly every one was wrong).
In the case of this Tinker card, if someone assumes its frank chance why dont they take three seconds and look at the 1906-1910 cubs? Companies like this are making millions of dollars per auction yet know I have to double check every lot to make sure its not a completely different players then whom they say it is.

barrysloate · #4 05-14-2010, 08:30 AM

Why did SGC label it Frank Chance? Where is the quality control?

Leon · #5 05-14-2010, 08:37 AM

First of all this isn't meant as a slam against Bill Goodwin. I think he runs a fine auction and I have never had an issue with him or his auctions. He has gotten some wild prices before but I have never seen any definitive evidence that anything was awry. Each time I have had a question Bill has answered satisfactorily (for me). All that being said whoever wrote this on the Brunners card:

"but none of those examples carry the scarcity of the Butter Krust back"

is just wrong. It's like saying "the ultra rare Sweet Caporal backed T206's"

Both of those statements are similar. The Brunners (Butter Krust) are in fact the MOST COMMON backs in the set by far.

E93 · #6 05-14-2010, 10:47 AM

Every example of the brown Old Mill I have seen is a significantly lighter shade of brown than even the brown Lenox. Even the brown Lenox, which is darker is obvious when lined up next to a black Lenox, but the brown Old Mills are very clear IMHO.
JimB

Bicem · #7 05-14-2010, 10:57 AM

I just like how "ink color" can lead to both a big debate and huge price differences. The crazy minds of collectors.

slidekellyslide · #8 05-14-2010, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkit1

This is Joe Tinker not Frank Chance ...ugh

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...100&category=1

What the hell is going on at SGC with photographs???? They shouldn't have anyone in their employ who can not tell the difference between Frank Chance and Joe Tinker. I don't care if it was submitted as Frank Chance they should know better...I hope this was slabbed prior to their issue with the JL Wilkinson postcard because they were going to be a lot more careful with photo identification.

bmarlowe1 · #9 05-14-2010, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

What the hell is going on at SGC with photographs???? They shouldn't have anyone in their employ who can not tell the difference between Frank Chance and Joe Tinker. I don't care if it was submitted as Frank Chance they should know better...I hope this was slabbed prior to their issue with the JL Wilkinson postcard because they were going to be a lot more careful with photo identification.

As to the auction house, from what I've seen from some of them, they just don't recognize the faces of significant early ballplayers. And - that photo is not "turn of the century" as Goodwin is hyping it - it is 1906.

This reminds me of the 1906 Library of Congress photo below which had been labeled as Joe Tinker for over 100 years. It even passed one round of SABR scrutiny before finally being corrected.

Peter_Spaeth · #10 05-14-2010, 09:07 PM

Is it just me or does the left edge look odd?
http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...100&category=1

Rob D. · #11 05-14-2010, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Is it just me or does the left edge look odd?
http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...100&category=1

I didn't realize there was a photo of the card. I'm still on Chapter 3 of the written description.

Peter_Spaeth · #12 05-14-2010, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob D.

I didn't realize there was a photo of the card. I'm still on Chapter 3 of the written description.

Look at the enlarged scan, left edge middle to bottom?

calvindog · #13 05-14-2010, 09:38 PM

Well, birthdays are merely symbolic of how another year has gone by and
how little we've grown. No matter how desperate we are that someday a better
self will emerge, with each flicker of the candles on the cake, we know it's not
to be, that for the rest of our sad, wretched pathetic lives, this is who we are
to the bitter end. Inevitably, irrevocably; happy birthday? No such thing.

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